The "Learn to Code" Meme Controversy | Joe Rogan & Tim Pool

It's one thing if we don't know a person or the background, but when you know a person, whether it's a Laura Loomer or a Milo Yiannopoulos and it's a public case and then you get this feeling that they say no because we decide. Well Joe, don't worry because no matter what Twitter does they're going to be defended by the New York digital, you know, journalist elites who will misrepresent what's going on in an effort to obfuscate or sometimes outright lie about what's going on. And this brings me to learn to code. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So learn to code. So I asked you about this the other day. People are getting banned for learn to code. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like, what is that? So when coal miners were getting laid off, a bunch of articles emerged saying, teaching miners to code, can we teach miners how to code? And they were showing videos about it. I don't believe it was it wasn't intended to be derogatory or insulting, but to a lot of people it came off as this bourgeois, let them eat cake. Oh, your career has been destroyed. You're a 50 year old man with a family. Go to Silicon Valley and do something you've never even thought about. Right. So it came off as to a lot of people as just elitist. So when these journalists are getting laid off, this meme spreads. I don't know exactly where it started where they say learn to code to the journalists. Well, an interesting thing happens. John Levine, I think his name from the rap tweets, someone from Twitter told me, you can be banned for tweeting, learn to code at a laid off journalist. Conservatives start tweeting it far and wide. Like, here we go. This is a reporter from the rap who's confirmed this. All of a sudden, then other journalists can't come out and say, this is a lie. This is not true. This is fake news. Conservatives are spreading fake news again. And they say we have a new a new statement from Twitter that said we're only banning, we're only banning people who are engaging in a harassment campaign. Well, now you got a few problems. Is tweeting a meme at somebody critical of them a harassment campaign? Is that a meme? Yeah, right. It's like it condenses an idea. So here's the thing. I got sent a bunch of screenshots from people. Now people can fix screenshots. I understand that. But I checked some people's Twitter accounts. I saw that they were tweeting this and I believe for the most part, this is what happened. Someone tweeted something to a BuzzFeed journalist. You know, oh, you guys believed X, Y, and Z. Yeah, whatever. Hashtag learn to code criticizing them suspension. So then these these journalists come out and say, this is not true. It's just people engaging in a harassment campaign. So I said, look at this guy's account. He's got one tweet that says learn to code. Is that him harassing somebody? And they said, Oh, but you're taking out a context. Then John Levine from the rap says update Twitter spokesperson who was my source is now saying clarifying it is about the harassment campaign. And then another journalist comes out and says, he his quotes fake Twitter is denying ever saying it. But here's the thing, the editor in chief of the Daily Caller just a couple I think couple days ago, took a tweet from the Daily Show. And he it was it was a from the State of the Union. And he tweeted learn to code and quote, tweeted a video suspended. So it's very clearly not about a harassment campaign. But why then, were all of these journalists so ready to jump up and defend Twitter when Twitter, you know what I said? Okay, if Twitter is claiming they're banning people who are engaging in harassment campaign, you mean they've confirmed they're banning people for tweeting learn to code, they just consider it harassment. How is it that learn to code is harassment, but Kathy Griffin, saying to all of our millions of fans, I want these kids names several times, or another verified account, I'm not going to name because not as famous, literally calling up for the death of these kids and instructing people to kill them is not a banable offense. It's not harassment campaign. Is that true? Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to mention the guy's name and mention the name. But yes, absolutely. He said he's something the effect of put them in a school, lock it and burn it down. And when you see them fire on them, this guy's still active on Twitter. There, you know, you know, right now, there are anti so now we can look, there's there's so much here, dude. Yeah, we've got the proud boys, all of them purged from Twitter. Okay, say whatever you want about the proud boys, if they deserve to be banned, fine. Why wasn't Antifa banned? A lot of people respond to me and say, but Tim, Antifa is random people who wear masks, you don't know that's not true. There are branded cells of Antifa that have their own merchandise still active. Some of these groups have published the private information of law enforcement officers still active, no action taken against them. So, you know, I don't so this, this indicates a heavy left wing bias, I wouldn't necessarily say left wing, I would say intersectional, identitarian, ideological bias, right? It's, it's, it's, it's hard to pinpoint what the tribes are in the culture war. But Twitter is clearly acting in defense of intersectional activism. Now, do you think that this is a mandate? Do you think this is written somewhere? Do you think there is people who are in the company that have power that are acting independently? It's, it's grains of sand, they make a heap, right? You're in, you're in Silicon Valley, you're in a very blue area. The people who get hired tend to hold certain views. And because they all live in their own bubble, they believe they're the majority. And thus they think they're acting justly to ban those who are at odds with them. Right, social engineering. And this brings back into journalism, the big problem. It's, you know, for decades, I don't know how long journalism has been dominated by self identified liberals. There's a ton of polls, I think there's a 2015 poll showing Republicans are like 7% of journalists or some ridiculously small number. And there's a really simple reason for it. News organizations are headquartered in big cities, the big ones, you know, see, even Fox News is in New York. So there's a lot of people who work at Fox News are actually liberal. People don't seem to know that you live in New York, you're probably not a staunch conservative. So what happens then? News breaks, you've got all these journalists, because I've worked with them, you know, I worked for Vice, I worked for Fusion. And they sit around at tables, they meet up after work from different offices, and they talk about things. And they all tell each other the exact same thing. And so this is why you see Covington happen. These people all follow each other on Twitter. So when someone tweets, this MAGA kid got in the face of Nathan Phillips, they only see each other's tweets. And they just write it. They don't do any journalism. And it goes, man, I can't believe for days. And that was even in the New York Times, correct? Yeah, yep. The New York Times. Harris talked about that. And it's mind blowing to me because the second video that came out from Covington, you literally watch Nathan Phillips walk into up to the kid and get his face. Bill Maher, you know, what, four or five days later, it says the kid got in his face. And I'm like, how are you? You know, shame on Bill Maher for for for saying that. That's not true. But at the same time, we have a serious journalism problem. And this links back to Twitter. And that that story in particular, really, almost like condensed all the problems into one event. Yeah. And what's what's what's fascinating is following the story, an op-ed, I believe it was in the New York Times said, stop tweeting or it said never tweet. Brian Stelter from CNN, then got a statement that I always say I believe because I don't have the sources pulled up. But someone from Twitter said journalists are the lifeblood of our platform. And so that's why I think you've got these predominantly New York based progressive writers. They're fresh out of college, they get hired for, you know, moderate salaries to work in a newsroom, sit around each other all day, sharing the same ideas, not exploring anything outside their bubble. And Twitter supports them because they're the ones who drive traffic to Twitter, they keep the conversation going. And I think that's where Twitter's bias partly comes from. The other is that clearly, you're in San Francisco, you're gonna have, you know, your staff, the people who are who are, you know, running content, curation and banning people, they lean left. So why why Kathy Griffin wasn't banned, probably because she's very famous. But then I have to wonder why Alex Jones was. So you the only the only real differentiator there, I guess, is either mainstream notoriety or ideological tribe.