The Fauci Emails

Well, did you read the Fauci emails? Yes. The Freedom of Information emails? That's really crazy because he, first of all, he's admitting in these emails that masks don't work. He's wuzzy? Yes. Yeah, he talked about it. He talked about it openly. Wait, I didn't know that part. I thought you were going to talk about the... Well, that too. But here's the thing. Part of the email was, look, part of the mask conversation with Fauci has always been that at the beginning of the pandemic, he said masks didn't work. But then he said, the reason he said that is because there wasn't enough masks for first responders and hospital staff and he wanted to make sure that the supply was damaged. So he said that he didn't tell the truth. But in these emails, this is private emails. He's saying masks don't work. For real? Yes. He's saying they're not effective for what you... Outside of a hospital setting, these masks, like for personal use, the kind of cloth masks and paper masks that everybody's wearing, they're not effective. Exactly what did he say? Let's pull it up so we get exactly what he said. But that's not even the big part. The big part is he's talking about gain of function research in the Wuhan lab and he's concerned about it and thinking whether or not they had paused that and whether they're still doing that. And he's trying to connect the gain of function research in the Wuhan lab with this COVID breakout and whether or not that's where it came from. Why is that a big deal? Because they funded it. The NIH funded these people who funded the gain of function research in the Wuhan lab, which means they're responsible for funding the very research that led to this outbreak if that's where it came from. So all this time when he's been saying it came from nature, there's no way it came from a lab. Well, you know that's shifted, right? Now everybody's saying it came from a lab. But then not confirmed yet. But the evidence is pointing as it's most likely that it came from a lab. This whole time Fauci's been saying it didn't, but you see in his emails that he was concerned. Well, but isn't that just trying to figure out what the information is? Not really. Because he doesn't definitively know either, right? There's a lot of indications according to the email that he's talking to another scientist. The scientist points out the variables or the components of the virus that seem to indicate that it possibly came from a lab. But publicly he's been out and out dismissing that because he's connected to that research. He's connected to the very research they were doing there. It's really complicated shit. It's because Rand Paul's been grilling them. Have you seen those things? Hey, guys. Typical mask you buy in a drugstore is not really effective in keeping out the virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keeping out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you. I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you're going to a very low risk location. See, this is just him saying that these drugstore masks are not really effective. But this is in an email after he has said publicly that you didn't have to wear masks because they didn't really help. And then he's saying this and after that he said that he wasn't telling the truth there because he didn't want people to buy all the masks. But then he's saying this after that in an email that they don't really work. But yet he's wearing a mask all the time. But that's kind of like there is shades in that. There's like the gross droplets. Gross droplets. And if you're in a low risk location. That's his motivation to like why would he profess masks if he thought part and parcel that they don't work? Well, because that's the narrative. First of all, the narrative is everybody needs to mask up. But why? Well, because it makes people feel safer. A, it helps people get back to work. B, and it obviously is providing some benefit. Listen, this is my take on it. Something's happening because the flu cases are down so low. Oh, yeah. Is that because of people wearing masks? Is that because of social distancing? Is everybody kind of freaked out and staying away from each other for so long? Washing their hands everywhere they go. Having Purell at every spot. I don't think that's it. Because you're talking about something that's airborne. Well, for that. But for you to get a cold, your hands and touching your shit. All those things. All those things. Yeah, maybe. There's something, something, there's very well likely something to masks that maybe we weren't aware of. So even what he's saying there, that it might just keep out gross droplets. But isn't it all about viral load? Because that's the thing they say about hospital workers. Hospital workers, when they're exposed to so much, that's when it's overwhelming and they really get sick. Yeah, they get like a heavy dose. So maybe that's what these masks are good for. What is this? They ask them directly for masks? Yeah, get that. There you go. Which are the protective measures anyone should take against the new virus? Do masks work? He said, the vast majority of people outside China do not need to wear a mask. Read the Fauci approved response. A mask is more appropriate for someone who's infected than for people trying to protect against infection. Right. Well, I mean, what's like, what's my whole thing with all of this is it's been very confusing. We're all every governor is making decisions. Everybody's around the world is trying to figure shit out and calling a lockdown or calling not a lockdown. Everyone's like unlimited information, trying to make the best decisions that they can. I don't think that as a governor of a state, you're making a decision to screw up the economy on purpose. I don't think that Fauci is talking about masks to harm people. You know what I mean? No, that's not the problem. I feel like they just have limited information and are trying to muddle their way through the best that they can. That's not the real problem is the mask thing. It's a small problem. The real problem is this gain of function research shit. This is the very research that they were doing where they were juicing up. What is gain of function? They were juicing up these viruses to make them more infectious and they were practicing like trying to use, I think they use human lung tissue and try to get the virus to be more. The idea is with, I mean, I'm going to butcher this for sure, but I think the idea is when they're doing this research, they want to find out what makes these viruses more infectious. They were doing it on the original SARS as well, which has like a 10% fatality rate. It's very scary. This stuff is less than 1%. That stuff is way worse. By doing this gain of function research, they run the risk of people getting sick. We just found out a couple of weeks ago that in November of 2019, three workers from the lab in Wuhan got sent home, sent to the hospital rather, really ill with coronavirus-like symptoms. This was before they had COVID-19 tests. These people got sent home. I believe one of the guys' wives died from COVID and they think this was the initial infection. These people in the lab got sick. All this time while they were trying to dismiss this lab outbreak, that had been hidden from us, that these three people in the lab got sick, the fact that Fauci had something to do with that gain of function research and funding that gain of function research, that had kind of been hidden from us. Well, that makes it seem- Josh Rogan exposed that. But that makes it seem like Fauci's putting on scrubs and walking down the halls of that place. You know what I mean? Is Fauci really in there? You know what I mean? Are you defending Fauci? Do you believe him? Yeah. I think that he's been put up as someone we can take our fears and anger and throw it at. But is he like, he may be part of like, you know, these things are huge. There's a big board of people that decide what they're going to research. You've got to read these emails. You've got to read these emails and read- I know. Do you think that he's evil? Do you think that he is- No, I'm not saying that. So what do you think? I think someone fucked up. I think they're trying to cover up the fact they fucked up. I think the whole reason why they've been saying that this thing came from nature, it's a natural spillover, is I don't think they're saying that because that's the most likely scenario. I think they were saying that because they fucked up. Right. They didn't want everyone to know that they fucked up. And I think having the position of power and having the position of authority that he had, he could say, there's no indication this came from a lab. Who is they? Who fucked up? The lab in Wuhan, for sure. Fuck that. Okay, so who runs that lab? Well, I don't know, but I do know that the NIH funded an organization, they gave money to an organization which gave money to that lab. That's the official story. Got it. And this is the story that- Like who is it? Like, is I always- As Paul talked about when he was grilling Fauci, this is also what Josh Rogan talked about. He was a journalist that investigated all this. What Josh, what Rogan was saying was that during the Trump administration, everything was so chaotic that they just kind of, they were able to restart this kind of dangerous research that Obama had put the brakes on. Obama, apparently, would be like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you making viruses more deadly? Oh, really? Stop. Let's not do this. And then Trump was over there going, I'm number one, I'm the best. And they're like, I got an idea, let's start that fucking research back. Let it fly. I don't know. Virus force. I mean, it's interesting because some news organizations are ignoring it. Completely. And other organizations are attacking. That's when you see whether or not the news is really the news. Because you see the difference between the way the left wing news is covering it, which is a lot of them are just out and out ignoring it. And the right wing news coverage, they're constantly bringing up these emails. Pulling them out and hashtag fire Fauci and all this different shit. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like once you start calling out like this is our side's thing, like I saw that there was a headline in The New Yorker or The New York Times that said why it's important to figure out whether this lab theory is correct or not. And it was like that was kind of the first time I saw it in those papers. Oh no, it was in Newsweek a couple of months ago. No, but I'm saying. That was like the first shot fired. That was the first crime. Yeah, yeah. Because when you see it on the cover of Newsweek when they started to consider it again. Yeah, yeah. It was political. Yeah, it was totally political. Trump was such a polarizing figure and people hated him so much that anything that guy said, everybody was like, fuck him. Let's go the other way. Right. He said it came from a lab that it definitely didn't come from a fucking lab. Yeah. Well, that's the boy that cried wolf syndrome, right? It became like he kind of did that to himself. He just keeps saying such crazy shit that everybody was just making and calling out everybody and yelling at them. Meanwhile, Fauci just wrote a book. So he's releasing a book on this now and making money off of a book. Oh. Yeah. And he's also the same guy that told us we would never shake hands again. I think he's adorable though. He's little, he's got like a little, like a Bronx kind of thing going. I got an action figure. Somebody sent me a Fauci action figure. Yeah. With a mascot. It has a mascot sitting on my desk. He's adorable. He's funny. Put him out there. He's like, you know, they're just like, oh, look. I would love to know what that would like. Okay. So if we're trying to get into the truth of it, which is what we need, right? We need to know. Well, obviously you and me are not going to get into the truth of it. Please. You could tell me the fact right now and I'll forget it by the next subject. But if they're trying to figure that out, like who is behind Wuhan? Like who is making those decisions to do all this stuff? Like, and how far is that a global thing? Like, is the US a huge part of it? Was Norway really involved? Like who? Well, they have a bunch of labs. Apparently they do this kind of work. Yeah. And they do different kinds of work at different kinds of labs. And the real fear is that in like some labs in the world, some places in the world, they do weaponized virus work. God. Which means that's terrifying, which they did that in Russia for. We actually covered that on this sci-fi show that I hosted years back. Oh yeah. Like covered the idea of weaponized viruses. The thing that they told me when we went to the CDC down in Galveston, Texas, they have this big building where they house basically every fucking terrible disease known to man. Big thick ass walls and ventilation systems and everyone's wearing spacesuits and me and Duncan are high as fuck wandering around this place. No. You brought Duncan? Yeah, me and Duncan went down there. Oh, that's great. And the guy was saying that what he's really worried about more than anything is the things that come from nature. He's like, we could worry all day about weaponized viruses. 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