No, It's Not "All Men"

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Iliza Shlesinger

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Iliza Shlesinger is a comedian, actor, writer, and host of the podcast "Ask Iliza Anything." Her new book, "All Things Aside: Absolutely Correct Opinions," and her new Netflix special, "Hot Forever," both premiere on October 11. www.iliza.com

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What I was talking about is that women, when they go on a man's podcast a lot of times, get women, or men rather, hate on them. I was going to say that women have, like today women, you're body shaming, or you're showing an unrealistic body type, and you're feeding into unrealistic body expectations. I've seen that a lot. Saying that to another woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was an ad that was pulled in England in the UK because it was like a gym ad. And this girl was in a bikini, she had a hot body. I forget what it was for. I think it was a gym. Something like that. Maybe sunscreen or some shit. But this girl had a hot body and they made them pull the ad because it was promoting unrealistic body expectations. But I was like, what is it? Well, here's the thing. It's like it's a girl. Like she's a real person. It's not unrealistic. You can do it. You can get really fat too. There it is. Are you beach body ready? See, to me, that's maybe in England that's unrealistic, but in LA that's just normal. That is not unrealistic. It's not unrealistic. No, it's just... Here's my thing. Here's my thing. It's a hot girl. Let's say that's her body. Okay? I do think we have a problem in our society. Like my boobs are real. And because they're big, my whole life, I mean my adult life, people are like, are those tits real? And they can't believe that... And I'm like, someone's got to have real tits for you to ask if they're real. Yeah, they're real. Some big ones are real. And it's offensive, but it's also like people are just... It's almost like we're so fed all of this fake stuff that when someone actually has it, my eyelashes are real and they're long. And people are always like, those gotta be fake. And I'm like, someone had to have real eyelashes in the first place to measure other eyelashes against. So when someone's big or strong, we always assume that they're faking it because sometimes our noses are fake. Right, but some girls go crazy with the eyelashes. They've got spiders growing on their heads. But my other thing is like, I can judge that girl silently. I don't have to say it to her face. Like, you don't have to be a piece of shit about it. Right, well that's the thing about social media is you just attack that girl from afar. I don't want to be high. And I feel like I'm high now. You definitely not high. I feel so high. Do you? I don't know. I've been playing with this core too long. You might be. Are you getting paranoid? I'm a little sweaty. Really? My mammy's because... The heat got stiff. It's just a vietnam. Me too. Yeah? Oh, the heat's on. The H is on. Yeah, it was cold in here when we first got in here. I find though... That was like 59 degrees. I think it's just your body heating the room. I come on your podcast because I genuinely enjoy interaction and I do think you have a really smart, cool audience of most of the people that think like you. I think as a woman or just as a person, any time you open your mouth or leave the house, there's going to be people like you, people who don't. So you just don't focus on the ones that don't. Because I have found when someone doesn't like me, it typically has nothing to do with actually me. Well, there's a thing that people do when someone's very opinionated where you want to for some reason combat their opinions. I've seen people do it even in things that they don't necessarily disagree with. They just become a contrarian just to like to fuck that person. But that's what I'm saying. It has nothing to do with what I said. It's something in you that you're bothered by. And I really try, in being autodidactic and in being self-reflective, when I don't like someone, I really try to examine what it is. And sometimes it comes down, I'm like, maybe I'm just jealous. I'm just jealous you used autodidactic. Don't be jealous. You just did it too. Did it really, really well. Shh, snuck it in there without anybody commenting. But a lot of times it is jealousy versus, oh, I really hate their stance. It's that. But sometimes it's also, there's an incorrect way of thinking about people. Like when someone's confident or someone's brash for whatever reason, like we get competitive. I'm like, fuck that guy. Why is that guy such a dick? Yes. Instead of getting like, what do I care? As long as he's not being shitty to me. To you. But think about it, that upsets people because deep down you're reminded that you're not that. And those are all the things you want to be. Sure. Always confident. Oh, he's strong. Oh, he's good looking. Oh, always outspoken. I've seen that with men. Oh yeah, for sure. I, all the time, if there's like an attractive guy, you know, they'll be like, oh, isn't he pretty short? And it's like, maybe he is, but does that help you? If a guy's short, do you feel better now? Well, they do. That's the only way they do. Yeah. But it's not real. See, the thing is, when you shit on someone, unless you're being funny, if you're being funny, I'm all for you. But if, when you're, when you're just being mean about someone, like some football player, like, who's a fucking pussy, he keeps dropping the ball. Like, is he really? Like, could you do that job? Yeah, come on, man. With a freight train coming at you. I think he's a fucking pussy. He's just not as good at football as some of the best people. Well, and it so takes away from, I'll use feminism, for example, when I do have a genuine criticism of someone, you're so rarely, I talk about this in my spell, but like, you're so rarely allowed to voice it because it's like, well, you're just jealous. I'm like, or I am in fact doing the correct feminist thing and judging her on merit of what she has done, and I dislike it. And it has nothing to do with her being beautiful. I think there's obviously issues that women need more equality in, in this country. I think the issue with the concept of being a masculinist or even the concept of being a feminist is that everyone automatically thinks you care about that more. Then you care about genu, general humanity, right? Because you're isolating gender. You're saying I'm a feminist. I'm a woman. I support women. I would support women's rights and women's values. And I support feminism, empowering women. When people hear that, they go, okay, you like women more than men. But it might not be that. What it is is I support the idea that we could be treated equally because men and I love men. I love breaking balls with male comics. I married a dude. I have made out with some hot dudes. Congratulations again. I am actually a gigantic frat boy trapped in a feminist body. But that all we're vying for is just to be treated equally and not be made to feel horrific. That's it. I'm not asking for a special treatment. No, I get it. I have zero problem with any of it. Of course not. But my thought on why people react so strongly to it. It's not a good... I get... You don't have to trust your... It's an affidavit. It's signing what your rights. But I think that when people hear it, they kind of have that feeling like, oh, she's one of those. Oh, she's a man-hater. It's almost like the word is so heavy now that it doesn't necessarily accurately portray the intent or convey the intent. Well, it's so fraught with historical weight. Yes. And I do think that's changing. But I also believe... It's a word I had never used until like three years ago. And I picked it because I was like, well, this sort of applies. I don't read feminist writings. I don't... The idea that as a woman, you're constantly being preached to by other women, like preaching to the choir. Right. What it is, is I think on a granular level, I enjoy having conversations. And most men I know are like, they're not these oppressive, horrible people. And we always look to the extreme left or right to prove our point. When in actuality, there's a whole population of people who think and feel just like you. And that's the key is finding those people and communing with them. Well, you've always been very pro male. You've never had a problem with men. But you're also confident and ambitious. And when you're both of those things, and people hear the word feminist, they go, oh, she's one of those. Like, she's going to be annoying. But you're not. No. But there's that thing. That's okay. And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. It's the fringes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's not like all men. But by the way... It's these fucking men that want to sue you because they can't come in. That's actually more of a guy who's just trying to sue people. But like, okay, straight pride parade. We were talking about this in the phone. Straight pride parade guys. Right. Like that kind of shit. The worst. Those guys. Just the idea. Of having that, people that say all men, like the kind of feminists that say all men, I'm like, you're part of the problem. Yes. Because that's just as bad as some guys saying all women are sluts. Like you are just as bad for marginalizing anyone. I was hearing this woman talk about sex and she was like, women want this and women want... She was on a podcast. Women want this and women want you to slow down and women want you to be gen... I'm like, no, no, no. No. Some women. Some women do. I mean, I don't... Some women want to get ravaged. Look, you're talking to a girl who speaks in generalizations for a living. Like women do this, but because by and large... But that's for jokes. For sure. And by and large, most, you know, these things are right because these... You proved it over years and years, but I also like sex podcasts are like sowing out my thing. Well, it's just so crazy to speak for all women. It's like trying to speak for all men. If I said men like to be ballgagged, men like to be kicked in the balls, men like to be tied up and pissed on, men like to sell you their shit. They want you to shit and tupple wear it and send it to them. Well, that's true. Some men like that. That's real. Well, let me ask you a question. Does that get into that territory where now you're on stage and you have to start saying, some, not all, speaking for me, personally, I know for me. Well, we have this thing where we are, we don't look at things granularly and we're like, well, they said all, so they must mean all and fuck them. Well, for me, it's been a little bit of a chance. I swear it got in my brain. You're going to be fine. Joe. Who's your buddy? Joe Rogan. Yeah. Don't worry about it.