Killer Mike: End Poverty to Fix Crime | Joe Rogan

The great part of all this country is, you know, as polar opposites as people try to make, say, a you and I, here we are together as equals. You know, here we are together engaging one another as equals and we don't look like one another. We're not from the same places. And I think there's just a whole bunch of opportunity in that. You know, I think that there's money to be made in promoting that versus promoting division and fear. And so absolutely, you should be... There is money in helping children be better. There is... And if we're going to live in a capitalist system, be a compassionate capitalist and be the best you possibly can, because we need more of you. But just seems like in terms of something that we think about as a civilization, we don't think about neighborhood rebuilding. No. It's not a primary concern, even though one of the biggest problems we have is with crime and violence. If you ask people, what's the two biggest things you're afraid of? It's crime and violence. Next, be car accidents and cancer. Yeah. Right? And but crime and violence, you could severely mitigate. Yeah. You can see, if you had all these community programs, if you think about the amount of... I bet if they calculated out probably a wash, the amount of money you'd spend to fix things versus the amount of money you would save by not having as much crime. I agree. Roxanne Chante, I saw her... Again, I don't know shit. So I'm just guessing. Sounds... Anything is better than just building more prisons. Yeah. Well, that's the scariest shit we got going on. The idea that someone's profiting off of putting people in cages and that they also lobby to make sure that there's more laws in the books. I told Larry King earlier today that I'd rather stop arguing over the Second Amendment with people that I should be arguing for amendment of the 13th Amendment with. We should stop arguing over guns and we should start to say, why does our 13th Amendment have a loophole that allows for slavery? That says slavery is illegal except for... Yeah. People have no idea how much prisoners get paid to work when they were working on the fires. Yes. What was... I think it was $2 or something. There's some fucking insane amount of money they pay them. And when they get out of prison, they are not allowed to be firemen. Oh, Jesus Christ. Is that real? Yeah, it's real. Like, because you're a felon. For every crime? I'm not saying for everyone, but... Any felony you can't be a fireman? I can't say any, but a lot of the guys I've known that have got out of prison have not been allowed to apply for fire department. There's felonies, right? Non-felonies. Drug selling. California's paying inmates $1 an hour. Holy shit. Not even $2. Your life is worth 99 pennies plus one. Just stop and think about fighting fires for 10 hours. You make $10. That's insane. That is... That... Not only is that slavery, that might be worse than slavery because $10 an hour isn't even going to buy you food. That's what that's the Walmart pay. It's less money to work all day than you could feed yourself. There's no way. This is the white guy saying this. That's what I try to tell people. People talk shit when I was coming on here. I was like, yo, man, these are the guys in the alley. I appreciate you saying that because that's true and it's not just black guys. It's poor white people. I almost wish I could have a convention with to say, we got the same masters. They're saying this right here. More than 2,000 volunteer inmate firefighters. And they volunteered including 58 youth offenders are battling wildfire flames through California. Inmate firefighters serve a vital role, clearing thick brush down to bare soil to stop the fire spread. I wonder, do they get better service for that? Do they get out earlier? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I would hope they do. But if we're paying them a dollar an hour, what do we care? But we're like we are the public should be up in arms about that. Well, they're obviously trusting those guys to not run to because when you're when you're chopping down bushes out there when there's a fire going on. But where you gonna go? Where you gonna go? Nobody knows what the fuck is happening. It's chaos. So where you gonna go? Where you gonna go? Yeah. And then when they get your shit dollar an hour, just how insane is that? You know something else we doing our prisoners that's cruel and brutal. We put people in a box for 23 hours a day. Yeah, a lot of mouth for an hour to walk into space. Yeah, you're driving them crazy. Yeah, you're doing. You're fucking with their senses to the point where they're going crazy. Absolutely. Or they get solitary. I have friends that have been solitary. They talked to you about solitary and they're just there for themselves with your own mind day after day after day. Yeah, I remember going to in school suspension not being able to talk about to go fucking nuts after three hours. You know, so imagine being in Georgia state correction. Exactly. When you're a little kid, you can't shut the fuck up for anything. Coach Dollar used to tell you know, he's gonna say shut the fuck. Cameron Dollar won 1995 UCLA. He played play point guard for them when they won national championship. His dad was the coach of high school. His dad was the basketball coach and he'd softer in school and I stayed in in school. Oh man, I knew his dad like a fucking player. I couldn't play any basketball. I just be sitting there quiet. He'd be reading the paper just like I can't wait to get the fuck out of here man. Coach Dollar don't let us say shit. That's why I knew I didn't want to go to prison. Thank you. Coach Dollar. Shouts out to Cam. Not talking to anybody for just a couple of days would be enough to drive you crazy. Now imagine some people that have been locked in the hole for like eight months. They do that to people. Yeah, they do. They break that mean that didn't in that what they did at Chelsea Manning. Yeah, didn't they? Yes, that's exactly what they did. I think I forgot what her original name was. I as do I forget. No, it's not. What you might you might get played. Yeah, so say you might. Son of a bitch piece of shit. It's always been Chelsea. But yeah, she I think they locked her in the hole for like 10 months. Damn. Yeah, no talking. No, nobody just by yourself. Fuck you by yourself. That's crazy. That mean you could break someone's brain. Easy. Easy. I heard of people's brain get broken on a good edible. I watched first 48. Mm-hmm. I see motherfuckers rain get broken 15 minutes of cigarettes and a honey butt. You know what I mean? That's another reason I tell kids don't commit crimes your homies man. Watch first 48. You're gonna see everything go bad man for a Newport. Yeah, just so many fucking crimes so many laws that don't don't need to exist poverty. We in poverty. We fix crime when it's a fuck load of it. That's sure that I still be sociopath and greedy people. You're gonna have that before less than crimes of opportunity like Robin moms of their purses at gas stations. Yeah, carjackings. You're not going to see stolen cars. You're not going to see burglaries. You're not going to see that if you start to have an influx of you know, we need to bring a lot of stuff back to America. We need to start making shit again. You start buying shit. We make again. We need to you know, we need to start refocusing on what we could be doing in house. I think you know, I think that would certainly help us and I don't know what we could do to sort of promote that idea of I mean, why isn't it? It's nothing that ever gets discussed in any political discussion like whenever there's some debates going on or whenever there's cuz we're being given an agenda. Yeah, but nobody ever thinks of that one aspect of our culture the weakest aspect of our culture economically. We don't really consider it. You just look at it as a source of crime. It's a statistic. But we look at it as though it's something that just is like it has to be but it doesn't have to be like that. Well, especially that's what history. Yeah, and it's in the television show. That's all I'm really trying to say like there are other alternatives. There are other ways to try this and we could you can you can try to fix homelessness without criminalizing being homeless, right? We know that most men that are homeless have some types of mental illness and schizophrenia. So that means that we've broken down and we're not taking care of the mental ill in a way that we should be or could be. So if you start to fix that you start to fix that kind of homelessness. We know that women and children we know why they're on the street and we know that if they're subsidized into these type of affordable housing apartments in the city the kids have the opportunity to go to better schools to become better parts of society in terms of having the networks and resources. We know the mothers are closer to work can be home, but we don't do that. We build cities like right now we're developing Atlanta and we've been promised a certain amount of of workspace in the city for working class people for poor people. Some of the developers aren't doing what they say they do. And because you do that you start to increase the things that are blights on us. You know, we just have to be really committed to it and do it. That's it. And once we do it is done, you know, but if we if we keep acting like it's not happening and complaining about poverty and crime and war and not doing anything, it's just the cycle never stops. And that's the honest the insanity. I really don't understand.