John Hinkley's Music, Whitey Bulger, and MKUltra

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You know, Hinckley just got out of jail. He's doing shows. Hinckley's the goat, dude. Well, he's doing shows, but the first venue that had him in Brooklyn, they canceled. They were getting so many death threats. I had tickets. Who? Old people? I would see Hinckley. He's a good musician. His songs are pretty solid. Wait, what? Yeah, pull him up. Alright, pull him up. He had a lot of time. Yeah, yeah. He had a lot of time to work out. No, Hinckley's good at singing? It's solid, yeah. You're not thinking about Manson? No, no, no. Marilyn? No, Manson has good songs. Here we go, here we go. Oh, really? Let's get some. Let's get some Johnny. Oh, shit. He looks like Far from Super Troopers. Yeah. The song is called The Places I Have Been, and it's available on Spotify. In jail for 40 years? The place I stand, the shower, the mess hall. I have on the streaming site, so check him out. Alright, so no lead up. Yeah, here we go. Get to it. Alright, dude. Let me hear what you got. Cut to it. He's still on Spotify. Shh. Shh. Bob Dylan. Yeah, he's got a lot of Bob Dylan influence. He's got sixes in him. You can drug test his eyes. Yeah, dude. I guess that MK Ultra worked. Yeah. They got him. Do you think that's what they did? What is that? Do you think he was like one of the Manchurian candidates? That song sucks. You know what's crazy? That song is fucking crazy. I've never heard it in my life. Maybe it is a better one. Oh, can't we get along? He's got a song called Can't We Get Along? Oh, please. Play it. Hello, everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like the middle line. Shout out to Jodie Foster. What up? Jodie, I'm still here for you. I don't believe in lesbians. This is terrible. This is terrible. This is terrible. This is terrible. This is terrible. Play the best Charles Van It's like John Caparulo. Yes, Captain. He's got the jam, so for real. This is solid. This is good folk. Now that you know it's Hinkley, it's funny. Yeah, it's not good. And he's going to get laid. There's a woman who's into every kind of guy. 100%. 100%. The kind of guy who has the balls to shoot at Reagan. Yeah. They should have fucked him. And hit him. I'd fuck him. And outlive him. Yeah. What was the... How many years did he get? 41. 41 years. That's not bad. Look at your game, girl. Look at your game, girl. I hate your garbage, man. Oh shit. Yeah, he rules. He rules. Pre-Zoostica. Well, you know the whole story behind Manson. Manson actually thought he was going to get a reporting deal with Brian Wilson of the... Yeah. Yeah. They became tight. I believe it's Brian Wilson. Yeah, he was tight. He's nutty. He knew music producers. They think it had something to do... That turned him crazy. I forget the details. But it had something to do with one of the murders. He was threatening people. They were like, hey, man, I know it's pre-cancer culture, but you can't be murdering a bunch of people. This is not bad. This is not that bad. No. Listen. Let me hear more. Three million. Half the Holocaust. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. That's good. That's good 60s music. That's not bad. It's very 60s. Listen to the whole album. It's great. I recommend it. Okay. That's a wrap. I'm sorry. I know. That's a wrap. This isn't that good either. When you hear about the MK Ultra shit, it's wild. What is that? Did you read Chaos? I don't know enough about it. No, I haven't. You got to read Chaos by Tom O'Neill. He's actually Greg Fitzsimmons' next door neighbor for like 20 fucking years. It's a crazy story. Fitzsimmons is the one that told me about the guy. He said, hey, I got this neighbor. He's been working on this Charles Manson book for 20 fucking years. It's been his obsession. It's ruined his life. He liked how to give money back to publishers because he didn't finish the book because he developed so much material. Because he got into it from the perspective of like it was an anniversary thing, the anniversary of the murders, and he was writing this book. It's called Chaos. I can't recommend it enough. It's a fucking fantastic book. As he's writing the book, he realizes like, oh my God, the whole story. It was originally an article, and they turned it into a book. But he's like, the whole story of Manson's wrong. What's really about is the CIA giving LSD to hippies. He was one of the guys they experimented with. It was all part of the MK Ultra experiments. 100 percent. There was some fuckery involved in Manson because he kept getting out of jail easy and the sheriffs would all say the same thing. It was above my pay grade. They had to let him out. He was involved in murders. He was involved in robbery. All kinds of crazy shit. They let him out of jail. Tom O'Neill. They were just giving him acid? Not only did they give him acid, they taught him how to use acid to manipulate people and convince them to commit murders. Wow. The CIA trained Charles Manson, I think, allegedly, maybe not. Maybe somebody who was a rogue agent in the CIA. This is not official government policy. They would never allow this. They're going to get you. Somebody did it. Yeah, you're going to get you, man. I think I tried. It's out. Fuck. It's out. Fuck. They took that out. No, we're going to keep that in because the book is amazing. I think it's the old CIA. I think the CIA back then, the 60s, during that MK Ultra period, there were different animals. Wow. Joe, how about Whitey Bulger? Oh yeah. Bro, Whitey Bulger? That's FBI though. That's FBI. No, no, no. That's the MK Ultra. What does that mean? He didn't have a deal with the- He was in Alcatraz and they were like, hey, this is for schizophrenia. We're testing this drug. This is going to, it will lessen your time if you do this. Oh, I didn't know that. He did. Oh my God. Jura, who helped convict crime boss Whitey Bulger, feels guilty after learning he was in MK Ultra. Holy shit. Whitey Bulger wrote to a juror who convinced him that he would be dosed with LSD monitored by a physician and repeatedly asked leading questions like, would you ever kill anyone? No. Over 50 times. Wow. That's an ass of ass. You know who else? High doses. You know who else? What? Ted Kaczynski. What? Oh, smart guy. Ted Kaczynski was a part of the LSD studies at Harvard. Yeah, shut it down. They tortured him. They tortured him. They did all kinds of wild shit to him and fucked with his head and he was an already broken man. Yeah. There's a great documentary on Netflix about him. About Ruby Rose and all that. The Kaczynski one, it's all about the Unabomber, but it's like how fucked up his childhood was. He had some kind of weird disease when he was a baby and so they put him in this hospital where they didn't touch him at all for months. Wow. That's Nazi shit. Didn't touch him. They didn't touch him at all because the parents weren't allowed to visit him. Oh. No, they couldn't even out of that. Oh, I thought that was a experiment. No, his development. No, no, they experimented on him later with LSD, but this was just a fact that he was just sick and they took him to this hospital to take care of him and when they did, they didn't allow his parents to visit him and no one handled him. So when he was a little fucking baby, no one was taking care of him. All the emotional attachment to people, they literally created a sociopath. Yeah. Wow. Because his brother is the one who turned him in. His brother's a normal guy. Right. Yo.