Joe Tells Dan Aykroyd About DMT

You're into ghosts, you're into Bigfoot, you're into aliens, UFO abductions, everything. Well, it's entertaining. I'm an entertainer. Yes, it is entertaining. And I feel like an alien. You're remarkably sane for somebody who holds all of these different things inside their head. I don't know. My family would maybe say not, but... Do you smoke pot? You know, I am allergic to terpenes. I love the cannabis story. Terpenes are an oil that's, you know, it's in everything. You know, it's like lemony. Is it pot? Terpenes, yeah. What you, if you have good pot and you're smoking good pot, what you're smoking in the terpene, that's what gives it its power. Terpenes give pot its power? Yeah, well, it's part of the element. I thought it was THC. Well, terpenes... Terpenabinoids. It's an oil. Terpenes is an oil that's in there in all marijuana. You have the terpenes. So you're allergic to marijuana? I'm allergic to the terpenes. The cannabinoid, my dad is on the cannabis oil right now to go to sleep. He's 97 years old. I... I'm trying to hunch your dad though. Yeah, everybody has cannabis, cannabinoid receptors in them. It is a tremendously healing thing. There's the terpene, there's a chart, a cool chart. Yeah, terpene benefits, marijuana, terpenes. I want that on my wall. Yeah, so somehow... Look at all that stuff. Yeah, look at it. Now, you know, and different breeders will put something. My partner and friend Jimmy Belushi has a farm in Oregon. He grows it and he's researching it. Oh, it's a dirty drug addict. He's up there selling drugs to people. Jim Belushi pushing drugs. Well, it's legal now in Oregon. Brother John selling drugs. Well, the point is that if John had been a pothead, he'd be alive today. Sure. Because he died of a cocaine and heroin... Heroin, speedball. Speedball injection. Yeah. If I had him smoking pot bared out there in the vineyard, like, you know, back then, he would be alive today. Yeah. So I believe... A generation of comedians or potheads. Well, you know what? A lot of... I hear Seth Rogen's office at Columbia, pictures had to be defumed and defogged when he left. I gave him Stoner of the Year award one day. Yeah. With one of the High Times awards. Yeah. I presented him. Well, cannabis is tremendously valuable. We're finding it with... If you take the THC out and put the CBD in there, that's great for arthritis and that. I like to smell a weed. You just can't smell it. It doesn't bother me. It's allergic to it. It just bothers me a certain way. You should go to an hour just to get that cured. Well, sure, sure. So I rely on the beverage alcohol. What about psychedelics? Have you ever had psychedelic experiences? Oh, yes. I've taken acid and psilocybin and mescaline. Yeah. Have you ever had any... some sort of encounters while on psilocybin? One of the things that makes me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials is some of the experiences that I've had on tryptamines. Particularly dimethyltryptamine, but also psilocybin is... That's way... DMT goes way back for me. That goes back to high school. How long back is that? For me. The DMT, I mean... Last time it was a year and a half ago? In a controlled situation? Yeah. Tell me about your experience. I'd be interested in... It's a little speedy. This is... that's a DMT tattoo. That's a DMT molecule. Oh, okay, yeah. I've had a bunch of them. It's healing for mental health. They're finding that it has a great effect as a palliative... Profound alleviation of anxiety. There you go. Because it transforms your perception of where you stand in the world and it's an absolute ego dissolver. You were confronted with experiences that defied logic. One of the things that... This is interesting. One of the things that shied me away from UFOs was DMT. Because? Because it was so profound. It was so crazy that if a UFO landed right in front of my house, I'd be like, yeah, it's not DMT though. Because DMT was a completely different dimension and there were things there. Then one of the things that's... You were in a controlled environment. Yes. You were friends. We were seated. We were in nature. Seated in the house. Okay. In my house. And you took how much? I've done a couple of other couple of houses. Well, you take three giant... Who makes that stuff? I can't tell you all. That's not something you can buy at... They shut down your sci-fi show for talking about aliens. No, no, that's right. DMT has some... There's some prejudice against it and you can't get that at the drugstore. It's in thousands of plants. It's literally in almost every plant in nature. One of the universities in Israel believes that it was responsible for the burning bush that Moses got the Ten Commandments from. They think that burning bush was actually the Acacia tree and the Acacia tree is rich in DMT. And it burst into flame and he inhaled the vapor. Yes, exactly. And saw God. They think that this is just a problem with translation. Is that this idea of the burning bush, like, oh, there was a burning bush. Maybe, or maybe they figured out a way to extract the dimethyltryptamine from the Acacia tree or this bush, Acacia bush as well. And that they took this small amount of dimethyltryptamine from this fire and inhaled it and had this profound religious experience. Like I've experienced, like many people who experience, that have taken it. And I think that one thing that happens when you do this is you're confronted with entities. Now I don't know what these things are, but they seem to be communicating with you and they seem to be talking to you and they seem to know everything about you. So the question is, like, is that really your subconscious? Is this, you know, what you know about yourself stripped down to some very bare, raw form and then confronted with the psychedelics that perturb your visual cortex? So they provide you with all these intense visualizations. Or is it a chemical portal to another dimension? Were they effulgent beings, light beings? The way I describe them is they're complex geometric patterns made out of love and understanding. And that they're communicating with you. Sounds like, you know, H.P. Lovecraft was a wonderful writer and he describes in- Time Machine. No, that was H.G. Wells. But H.P. Lovecraft, he wrote the Cthulhu, the Dunich Horror and the books about Cthulhu. That's right, the Cthulhu. And he kind of, you know, walked out of his life and disappeared from his family and all that. Well, he kind of went out for cigarettes and kind of never came back. No one ever found him again? Well, no, I think they found him, but he had vanished for a while. H.P. Lovecraft, maybe look up grave or demise. But you know, he wrote about geometric shapes. He wrote about interdimensional geometric shapes and getting to a space where you saw the universe in terms of geometry and diamond shape things and multi, you know, multi-patterns and colors. Do you know the artist Alex Gray? I don't. Alex Gray is a beautiful artist. I mean, amazing, amazing guy. And he, all of his stuff is triptamine based artwork. Pull up some Alex Gray stuff so he could see it. It literally, when you see it, you go, oh, I recognize that. I recognize the- How long was your voyage? All of them are about 15 minutes to 20 minutes long, depending upon- this is all Alex Gray's stuff. Oh, beautiful. Yeah. That one down on the very bottom in the middle. The red one. There was a couple of skulls. Look at that. That's very similar to what it feels like when you do dimethyltryptamine. Alex has had an uncountable number of experiences. If I dropped a little purple barrel right now and just looked at that, I'd have a nice afternoon. Exactly. Yeah. Nice. Well, a lot of the most profound psychedelic experiences are the compounds. They mimic normal human neurochemistry. Like dimethyltryptamine is a natural occurring compound in the human brain. It's produced by your liver, your lungs, and there's a lot of evidence, at least in mammals, it's produced by your pineal gland, which is literally your third eye. That is. That's right. I did DMT way back. I think I was in high school or something. Whoa. You know something. And I think I was at a motorcycle ice race or something about doing it. So that was- A motorcycle ice race and DMT. Yeah. That's what the end in high school, man. It's got the MCA. That's what the motorcycle ice race is. You get a little small bike like a Jawa Cisé and you put the metal rims with the studs and then you race around the ice. I never did it, but I saw it and I think I was- That's what I went to. My friend said, take one of these and we'll have a better time. So I didn't see any beings, but the race was fun. Take one how? Orally? How did you take it? He said it was a pill. It was a cap. Oh, that doesn't work. No, because- Did it inject it? Yeah, well, no, you need to free base it. See, DMT is- Oh, it's smoking. Oh, right. When he said it was a cap, he gave it to me like the size of a horse cap. Right. Maybe it was horse drank and I never know. He said it was DMT. It's not. Well, if it was, it doesn't work because your body produces monoamine oxidase and the only way that DMT works orally is if you take an MAO inhibitor. This is what ayahuasca is. I didn't have that with it. Yeah, see, ayahuasca is what the indigenous people, the Amazon have figured out, is how to take DMT with harmine. From the plants. Right, and harmine is a naturally occurring MAO inhibitor. So that's how you could take it orally. It's also why the experience is not as intense, but it's longer. And many people find it more spiritual because you can relax and fall into the experience. Jimmy's done it. Yeah, Jimmy's done the ayahuasca. Yeah, but it's not in a capsule form. He dosed you up with something else. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I guess something else. Who knows? Who knows? Could have been psilocybin. Well, psilocybin converts in the body to something very similar to DMT. The DMT is, the chemical compound is N-N-dimethyltryptamine, but something happens in the body's production of DMT or the body's breaking down of DMT where it produces something called 4-phoraloxy-NM-dimethyltryptamine. This is out of psilocybin. So maybe he gave you psilocybin pills, which is real common. That's real common. Yeah, could be. But usually if I were to take psilocybin, I'd just eat the mushroom. Yes. A lot of people take them in capsule form, though, so they can get exact dosage. I remember sprinkling it on my cereal once. What? Yeah, and then going to deliver the mail. Yeah, my friend took them in peanut-burn jelly sandwiches. He just ate the mushrooms. I ate a bowl of psilocybin, and then I went and picked up my mail truck, and I was a royal mail courier. Oh, Jesus. That was an interesting morning. I think he's mailed to the workplace. Oh, yeah. It'd be fast.