Joe Rogan’s Wilder vs. Fury 2 Post-Fight Analysis

I want to ask you about, and this may be all type, but the Dante Wilder excuse he came out with yesterday. It's unfortunate. Do you think, is there any validity to that? If there's, look, I put a, do you know what a, what is it called, an Atlas pack? Yes. I put an Atlas pack on my back all the time and I put a 45 pound plate on. So it's about 55 pounds and I go hiking through the hills and after I could still do whatever the fuck I want. And I'm just Jerogan. I'm not a Deontay fucking Wilder. The idea that Deontay Wilder with a 40 pound outfit on that it killed his legs, walk into the ring, that's crazy talk. I don't understand why he would say that. I mean, maybe it's true. If it's true. He said he had it on like 20 minutes before or 15 minutes before he went out. It's possible. Look, it's possible that that tired amount. It's possible. See, I'm not, I'm not like, I'm no fight expert or anything. So I just don't know if there's validity in it. Well, who the fuck would let him put that on if that was that heavy, that it was 40 pounds and it got to the point where it actually wore his body out as he was walking to the ring. Well, he tried it on the night before they said, and he liked it. So he's like, I'm aware. Well, he's, he makes the decisions. It was his. Yeah. That's a crazy decision. No, that's not what happened though. I mean, it might've wore. I mean, you just got beat up. It might've wore them out. But the real big thing happened in the third round when Tyson Fury, he, he put that jab in his face and hit him with that beautiful overhand right, right on the ear and dropped him. Equilibrium went off after that. Does that cause equal? Oh yeah. 100%. Okay. Because he was, he was bleeding out of his ear. Out of his ear. So that's a significant injury. It could be a ruptured eardrum. When you get hit on the ear like that, like a lot of times your eardrum ruptures happens all the time. And when that happens, you don't know how to stand up, right? Your body's all wacky. It's not moving correctly. And that's what it looked like with him. And that's what I was saying when I was watching it. I was like his equilibrium's off. I go, this is what's going on. Then eventually the commentator said it as well, but his, his legs weren't under him. But also he was getting bombed on. Oh yeah. He was getting bombed on. Tyson Fury was hanging on him. He would wrap his arm around his head and lean on him with that 270 pounds. So he's carrying all that shit too. Like, and Tyson Fury did something that had never been done before. And then he bullied Deontay Wilder. He got on and he came in heavy and a lot of people thought he caved in too heavy. But I think one of the reasons why he came in heavy is this as part of the strategy. He went to, what's up? You got something? Yeah. Did not have a broken eardrum apparently. A minor laceration to his ear. Lacer did not have a broken jaw, someone speculate, nor did he have a broken eardrum. He had a two centimeter cut on his ear that took seven stitches to close. Defeat DeFury was the first of Wilder's professional career. That's interesting. So even though he didn't have a ruptured eardrum, he still took a significant shot to the ear, which oftentimes fucks up your equilibrium. And any shot to the temple, to the ear, a lot of times it fucks up your balance. But like he got bombed on. And Tyson Fury figured something out in the first fight that in the 12th round, Deontay did not like it when he came after him. He said he doesn't fight well backing up. He said he's awkward on his feet. And so instead of letting Deontay come to him and he was boxing like he did for most of the first fight, he fought the second fight the way he fought him in the 12th round. He came after him. Just get glued to his face, run right after him, hit him with a right hand. He bullied the bully. And I don't mean Deontay's a bully like in a bad way. I mean his style is, he's very aggressive. He's one of the most ruthless punching knockout artists in the history of the sport, if not the number one. I mean the guy has 42 knockouts, which is insane. Like his... Maybe the Tyson half. Maybe he has 41. I think he's got 41 knockouts, 42 wins, one by decision and one draw. Now he has one loss. Tyson had less. Tyson went to the decision with a lot of people. He went to the decision with Mitch Blood Green. He went to the decision with, I mean you can go down the list. There was a lot of people. Tyson's obviously one of the greats and obviously a brutal knockout artist, but Deontay Wilder has that touch of death. It's crazy. I mean he dropped Tyson Fury twice in their first fight. In the 12th round it looked like he was fucked. But... Do you think they should have stopped it at the 7th? Yes. Or earlier? I think it's better for his life and his career that they stopped it. He wasn't going to come back. I don't think he was going to come back. He's getting fucked up. And Tyson Fury was not going to stop punching him in the head either. He was going to keep doing it. Tyson was pure and clean and literally unharmed and looked fantastic. He had been hit a couple of times, but no problems. There was nothing that rocked him, nothing that hurt him. A few punches bounced off of him, but he was putting it on Deontay Wilder. I mean he was putting it on him. If that is true that he had it on for 20 minutes and that it really wore him out, that's exceptionally silly on the part of his management to allow that to happen. That someone didn't see that. That his trainer didn't see that. They didn't recognize that that was going to be a big problem. But maybe they didn't calculate it. I think he just threw it on the night before and goes, oh it feels good. Didn't really think it. I was just being this thing for close to 35 minutes before I get on. He has to be back there 20 minutes. Then the walk up is like three or four minutes and then you walk into the ring. You got to carry it around while you walk into the ring. Yeah. It's a good point. It had an effect. I guarantee you it would have an effect. But the question is would it have enough of an effect that it would fuck his legs up to the point where he couldn't recover? Maybe. Maybe it's valid. The only comparison I have, and like I said I know nothing about boxing, but if I hold my son is 35 pounds. If I hold him for like 10 minutes, I'm tired. Right, but your arms are tired. But I'm not a professional boxer. Your arms are tired. Would you like to be tired? No. My kid, my 11 year old is 80 pounds and I walk around Disneyland with her on my shoulders. Yeah. I can, you know, I could see, but then again I'm not fighting afterwards. I'm just walking around. I could see it having an effect. How much of an effect is the question? It's just silly that they let him do it. I mean if I picked that thing up and I was his trainer, I'd be hey, hey, hey, feel this. Now think about how long you're going to have this on. Fuck this. Let's just go out there, Norm, I mean guaranteed next time you see him he's going to be dressed like Tyson. Yeah, just come out in the trunks. Yeah, just trunks of fucking small towel around his neck like Tyson used to do. That was so, that was so intimidating the way that dude just came in. The whole day, the whole socks. He just came in like what? Let's do this. And just storm towards that rain. You would see death coming down that aisle. You're like, oh my God, what have I signed up for? It was so true. What have I signed up for? And when I read Tyson's book and I interviewed, he was like, man, I was like, so he was scared. Yeah. Every time I walked in a ring, he was petrified. Yeah. Didn't look like a man. Well, once he got in there, he put himself into the position that he's been in many, many, many times. Just that he was the destroyer, but all the lead up to, I mean, anticipation fucks with everybody's head. Yeah. I think Deontay would be better than ever for the next fight. The question is if Tyson Fury fights him that same way and stays on him, can he beat that Tyson Fury? Because Tyson Fury is just boxing his face off. Who, when this does happen, who would you pick out the gate on this one? You have to pick Tyson Fury. Yeah. Because I think he won the first fight. Deontay knocked him down twice, but not only did he knock him down in the 12th round, but Tyson Fury came back and won the remainder of that round. So you could almost give that round a draw. And then the other round, when he knocked him down, you got to give Deontay Wilder the remaining 10 rounds are not in dispute. The remaining 10 rounds went to Tyson Fury. If you just look at it on paper, he should have won that fight. Although most people weren't upset with the decision because Deontay almost had him out. And it's like, it's exciting. Let's do a rematch. No big deal. But then in the rematch, Tyson Fury just took the judges out of the fucking equation and just bombed on them. It's really unfortunate that there is a question of whether or not that big stupid suit was wearing his legs out. Because if that really is the case, that bums me out, man. That bums me out. That's what he said. I didn't think of it. I was thinking it was a joke until you told me that it was like he wore it for 20 minutes. Then I was like, huh. Yeah. Well, that would be different. That's different. That's real weight. Just put it on. You walked out there for 30 seconds. You had this 40 pound thing on. Yeah, no big deal. I wouldn't advise it. No. Yeah, it's not good. But he had it on for at least 30 minutes, if I'm guessing. From the walk in, he said he had it on 20 minutes before the fight. He had to do the walk up. He had to get in a ring in it. And he said when he took it off, he knew that was the game changer. You got to think Deontay Wilder coming into that fight has flatlined every single opponent he's faced except for Tyson Fury. Stavirne, he didn't flatline him in the first fight. He just beat him by decision, beat the shit out of him. But in the second fight, he fucking murked him. So he was probably thinking he could murk anybody. All he has to do is touch him. The way he did with Louis Ortiz. Same thing in the first fight. Had a tough first fight with him. Second fight, murks him with one punch. I think he just had this thing in his head that that's what he does. And he's going to do that to Tyson Fury too. And he never believed that Tyson Fury was actually going to fight that way. That he's going to jump on him. But Tyson said he was going to do that. I know. Like told him the game plan. Like Deontay literally said, you don't believe a word you're saying. That's what he said. He believes it now. He believes it now. I'm really excited. I'm excited. I'm excited for the third one. Well, they were talking about him fighting Anthony Joshua. Tyson Fury fighting Anthony Joshua first. And if that does happen, I think he beats Anthony Joshua. I think Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight on earth. I do. And I think the only person that could beat him is probably Wilder. If Wilder can recreate the success of the first fight and catch him. Do you think fights are... I remember like after Tyson stopped boxing or after, you know, he lost. I kind of lost a lot of interest in it because I grew up with like Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns and Marvelous Marvin Hagler. And I felt like I don't see fights like that anymore. Oh, well they're possible today. I mean... But you used to see him all the time. Keith Thurman and Manny Pacquiao was an amazing fight. Anytime Terrence Crawford fights, I'm in. I love that guy. But don't you admit? He's phenomenal. It seemed like every fight was a great fight. Or is that just getting old and reminiscent? Yeah, it's just reminiscent. There's some great fighters now. Earl Spence Jr., Vasily Lomachenko. I mean, it's a great time for boxing. It's a really great time for Utic, it's now a heavyweight. It's a great time for boxing. It really is. And before your crowd jumps on me, like I don't know anything about boxing. So I'm not saying anything because I... Well, I'm not a boxing expert. I know some stuff about boxing because I'm a fan. But it's not like MMA. Like if someone wants to talk to me about MMA, I can give you very educated opinions on things and I can dissect things. With boxing, I have some opinions, but there's other people that are better at it. It's a good time though. I like it. I'll get into it then. I'll get into it again. I'll let you know when something big is happening, when there's a big one. We do these fight companions for UFC fights. We should do some of them for boxing. We've only done it for glory, for kickboxing. You should do a boxing one. I know. We should have done it for that fight. We would have went crazy. We would have went fucking crazy. That was a wild... We knocked him down in the third round. I screamed. Everybody in my house was like, what the fuck is going on? I know. I think they should have stopped it in the fifth or sixth. They could have done that too. Yeah, but he's Deontay Wilder, man. You gotta give him a chance. One punch, one punch, he could have... One swinging right hand and next thing you know, Tyson Fury's got a flashlight in his face and he can't believe it. He's like, what? Huh? It's over? What happened? That's what Deontay does to people. When he hit Louis Ortiz and the spray of sweat flew off his face and Ortiz crumbled and he just looked in his eyes like, what just happened? That just hit by God? Like, he hit like a lightning bolt. That is true. That lightning bolt come out of the sky. People can't believe how hard he hits, but the key to Tyson Fury's victory is he didn't let him hit him. He just jumped on him. And Tyson Fury has a unique style. That big motherfucker. He's six, nine. He's so big. So big. It's so long and he's such a good boxer, man. No one in the heavyweight division has that kind of head movement. I don't know. He's such a character. Yeah. He says he jerked off seven times a day to build his testosterone. Did you see that? No. You're saying he's going, I'm gonna settle Gypsy Lube. He's got his own lube, his own brand of personal lube that he beats off with. He says beating off seven times a day increases his testosterone. I don't know. I don't know if there's facts behind that. I don't know. That might be conjecture. Right. Right.