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Liz Phair is a singer, songwriter, and guitarist. The 25th Anniversary box set celebrating her 7 LP's "Girly Sound to Guyville" releases on May 4 and she will also be touring this summer.
If life wasn't real it'd be the craziest psychedelic trip ever - Joe Rogan
It's "the most important tool I've ever used for developing my mind, for thinking, for evolving."
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I know a lady who lives in the Arctic Circle. She lives like 200 miles above the Arctic Circle. She's on that show Life Below Zero. You ever see that show? But she can come out when she wants. She can come back. She flies back. She was in the studio, not this one, the old one. But she was sitting right where you're sitting. Like you know, she's a normal person. I can't even take a cruise. No? No. But you were going to cruise in the Congo. Well, that's a river. But I can't take a cruise because I can't be isolated in the middle of the ocean with people I don't think are really on the ball. Like I can't do it. I think that's where like the next plague starts, I think. Does happen sometimes. Yeah, they get the norovirus or whatever on a cruise ship. And what if someone's just really in a chuck and people over the side? Like that's your move. You just take a cruise. I like those people that survive that. I like the stories of the people that get... Who the fuck is there to survive getting chucked off the... They fall off a cruise ship and they get found. Really? The fuck finds them? They're in a shipping lane. They get found. Really? I love those stories. I've never heard those stories. I always thought you're fucked though. Can you imagine? Could you... there's like almost nothing that can fuck you worse than to fall off a cruise ship. But these people, they survive it. You have to think of how long can you swim. Right. I mean, it's like 13 hours or I don't know. How long can you tread water? Well, you can tread water longer than that. I don't know. Sure you can. I sink like a rock. You'll be hallucinating. Right, but you'll still be trending water. You just be... your tissue will be tearing apart. What I heard one guy talk about was how he saw like he had the illusion of seeing boats come by and talk to him and he like talked to people that were saying just hang on, hang on longer. It was all imaginary. Like none of it was real, but he was having like a full sort of trippy virtual reality experience with his hallucinations that kept him alive longer. They were like his subconscious, but they would come in his mind in vessels and like stop and talk to him, throw him something, motivate him. That's crazy. I guess you could get that if you go into one of those sensory deprivation tanks or something. I have one. Oh, you do? I have one right over here. Shut up. Fuck yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Do you do that regularly? Yeah. Do you have hallucinations? Yeah, definitely. What? Tell me. The most extreme one, I was in a jungle and there was some people that were... Native to this place. They were dressed in western clothes though, like t-shirts and shorts, but they were barefoot, which is often the case though, unfortunately. A lot of people that live in these indigenous villages, they wear like underarmored shirts and shit that they... Someone gets them. Somehow they get down to them. Missionaries maybe sometimes bring them, but they were speaking in a language that I understood, but it wasn't English and I don't speak anything other than English. And when they were talking, I was listening to them. I was amongst them and I was listening to them and they were speaking in this very different language. And then I realized, like holy shit, I can understand their language, but I realized that in English and then poof, I popped out of the spell. Like my freaking out about it brought me... It was all like, no, no, no, don't go away. Don't go away. Ah, fuck. It's like it was so extreme. I could smell the rain. I could feel the moisture in the air. I could see the leaves all around me. I could hear the sounds of the forest and these people in the rainforest just hanging out talking this... It was totally uneventful. Nothing was happening, but they were talking in this language that I absolutely knew what they were saying. They were going back and forth and communicating and I was following the conversation in their language, thinking in their language. And then I realized it and I woke up. How do you interpret that? I think, first of all, it's tripping balls, right? There's that. There's being in that tank. On what? I think it was edible pot. I've done a bunch of different things in the tank, but mostly it's edible pot. Pot edibles has a distinctly hallucinatory effect at high doses, especially when you close your eyes and you're laying back and just letting visuals take place. Also, I think it's entirely possible that we have genetic memory. And I think it's entirely possible that there's certain things that people pass down to their children. There's certain traits that my kids have that are watching them and I go, okay, why are you so into this? Are you so into this because you just happen to be into this? Are you into this because I'm into this and somehow or another got into my genes and passed on to your little tiny body and now you're developing with this hunger for certain types of activities. So it's literally in their cellular level of knowing. We don't know what's transferred. We don't know how much of like, people have certain instincts, right? People are afraid of spiders, afraid of snakes. Why? Why is that? It's probably some memory, probably somewhere along the line, some memory got transferred into your DNA. Well, the question is like, how much gets in there? Until I sold my nine year old daughter, I thought probably very little. I was probably just like physical traits and that's it. But her mind is so much like my mind, like in especially her obsession with things. I've never seen a little kid so obsessed with things. Like this is me in a nine year old girl's body. Like this is fucking crazy. And talking to people that have musical talent or people that have artistic talent and their children seem to have an aptitude for this, like an unusual aptitude, almost as if they're trying to re-remember it rather than learn it. Ooh, I like what you just said. I like that switcheroo there. I think there's something that gets trend. I don't know how much of it is readable data, but I think there's so much information that gets through your cells. And then I think the child is faced with their own data, right? Their own life experiences, their own genetics, their own hormones and all these different things that are happening around them. But I think underneath all that, it's entirely possible there remains some very, very distant memories, which is why people survived as long as they did, because you could transfer some knowledge unto the kids. I think it's probably less today than before because the world's so safe. Everything's nerfed. You don't have to worry about getting eaten by leopards. It's a totally different environment we're living in. So less of it gets in there, but I think there's probably still somewhere in the operating system if you went into DOS and started sneaking around, you'd find some weird code from different languages that you spoke 10,000 years ago or who knows. Why are kids scared of monsters? That was another thing that they were talking about once in one of these things. They're scared of monsters because monsters used to be a real thing that you had to worry about because they ate people, like cats, like leopards and jaguars and shit. That was a real problem. So little kids, they're not scared of bullets or they're scared of fucking monsters. That's what every little kid's scared of, the dark and monsters, because that's in our genetic memory probably some leftover shit from when we got eaten a lot. And trees. Yeah, trees, right? So falling and predation. Yeah, both.