Joe Rogan's DMT Experiences

Yeah, like if this was like on a spaceship, you would think it would be like that. Look at that. If that was on a spaceship etched into the side of the spaceship, you'd be like, holy shit, it's a fucking alien language. Look at me. I don't know what any of those things are. I don't know what one of those numbers is. I don't know what the fuck those words are, those letters. That's an alien language. To me, almost more alien than a lot of Asian languages. That looks crazy. Well, that's a reason to kind of doubt that somebody's translating it right. You know? It's just like, oh, you looked at that gibberish and you saw that. Well, scholars, you know, the whole thing with that is that these ancient, ancient, ancient languages, like all these stories came from these ancient languages. Like if you go way, way, way back to like ancient Sumer, like the Epic of Gilgamesh, there's all these Noah's Ark similarities. It's all right. There's a lot of stuff in all these ancient stories. It's all probably points to some real shit that happened for sure. But along the way, just like what you're talking about with social justice warriors and how they behave like it's a religion, there's like a natural compulsion for people to be on a group and have that group have a very clear ideology. People have to work their way up to atheism if they want it. Because that's like almost a luxury, I think. Yeah, I think you're right. And I don't know how to just, but I'll tell you what, I will say the DMT shit, I did get like more of a, oh yeah, there's more than this. Oh, there's something else there. And it's crazy. Because I read about that shit in high school. I read some more about that guy that is the big DMT guy. Terrence McKenna? Yeah, because I think he projects a lot of his own horse shit into it. But that stuff, the feeling- That McKenna does or the- McKenna just, I don't, let me tell you, I never felt the thing that felt so much like not making me hallucinate, but like it was taking away a hallucination. And that is such, there's something. I'm so terrifying about that, but it's also like, wow, that's crazy. Right. And you just, you feel like there has to be, just based on the shit you would say, even if it's just shit in your head, you're like, why would that even be in my head? It's entirely possible that whatever the fuck consciousness is can pass from this stage into another stage. And the only reason why I would hesitate to say that's exactly what happens is because there's no proof one way or another. But it's- Yo, that pineal gland shit is not proven. They don't know that DMT comes in. I can't handle that anymore. They do now. Yeah, they do now. Really? Yeah, the Cottonwood Research Foundation, they did a series of tests with rats and they proved that live rats have DMT produced by the pineal gland. Now it doesn't necessarily mean that humans do too, but they're pretty sure they do. Did you like them? They also know that your lungs produce it and your liver produces it. That's a fact. Really? Yeah, so your body's producing DMT, 100%. Did you know that, or did you like those HP Lovecraft kind of horror stories? I love those things. A movie made out of one of them, it's all about his pineal gland. He's taking something that makes his pineal gland swell up. Which one is that? What movie is that? It stars the guy from Re-Animator. But it's not Re-Animator. I'm feeling it now. I kind of remember what you're talking about. I'll tell you the creepy, the thing that DMT has to creep, I sound like the creepy because that's totally worth doing. But the thing that, you know, whatever, people say they meet entities, right? And I don't know if that shit is meeting entity. But I'll tell you the thing that just sticks with me that I'm like, how in the fuck is that possible? Is the shapes that I could see? I was well aware that they were more than three dimensional shapes. And it's so crazy to look at that and perceive it. And I'm like, how on earth could I perceive this shape? And you can't come back with it. Like you know what you know? You see it though in someone's art. Like have you ever seen Alex Gray's art? Yeah, it's awesome. No, you haven't seen it? No, it is pull up Alex Gray. He's a psychedelic artist. I mean, all of his stuff is basically trip to mean based art. And he's a famous guy. And is it going to not be bullshit? Because sometimes they're bullshit. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. He's brilliant. His stuff's fucking amazing. Because that is something. His stuff's fucking amazing. Oh, yeah, that thing. It's for tool. Yeah, but that's one of them. But yeah, he draws the covers for tool albums. There's a ton of them. Like that one. That one in specific. That is DMT. That's DMT. That is DMT. Wow, that is hardcore DMT. Hardcore DMT. When you do DMT, you see that. And you see that in a way where it's so much more spectacular than anything you ever see. Is there normal consciousness? Is your body there? Like, are you like? It's not a body thing. You're not thinking of your body. Your eyes are closed. But you're yourself. I mean, I'm myself. Yeah, you're yourself. Like, you look around. You're yourself. Dude, if you open your eyes. Here's what's crazy. Because if you close your eyes, it's like they're open somewhere else. And then when you open your eyes, you see reality overlaid over this religion. Tell me this one didn't influence the Egyptians. Click on the one your cursor's on. No. That didn't influence the Egyptians. What this painting? No, this kind of trip to mean... Well, did they have that? Did they have DMT? 100%. Yeah, there was one of the things that John Anthony West did was he was going over the temple in man. The temple in man is one of the structures. It's in Egypt. And it shows different parts of it are supposed to represent different corridors of the body, like different chakras of the body. And that there was some evidence that the eye of Horus is really the pineal gland. Oh, really? And that's what that symbol is. See if Google pineal gland eye of Horus. They think that they're so similar in the way they're shaped, it's entirely possible that that's what... It's a very alternative thing. But look how it looks, how the thing looks on the right, the actual pineal gland, and look at the eye on the left. Whoa. Yeah. And if you look off the side and the way it drops down right from the eyeball, boy, that's fucking similar. It's entirely possible that they figured that out somewhere along the line, that through yogic breathing methods or some sort of psychedelic drugs they found that they were achieving a hallucinogenic state, and they were able to somehow or another isolate where that state is being initiated. And if it's being initiated endogenously by your body, like through psychedelic breathing, that's probably where it's being produced. Now listen, I don't want to sound like a name of a Shumer defender, but that looked coincidental to me. It could be. Parallel thought. It could be pretty goddamn close. I think certain patterns were close over and over again. But that pattern is pretty fucking close. You might be right. It might be coincidental, but the fact that it dropped a straight line drops down right before the eye showed again. The straight line drops down right below the eye, and then the other thing hooks to the left. But they didn't know what the fucking rain did in Egypt. That's the thing. They did surgery on people in Egypt. Yep. I see it. They let Egypt thought the mind was in the heart, and that's why they pulled the useless brain out through their nose when they mummified you. Like they were telling me. We know their intent. You know what I mean? Because the embalming techniques. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they didn't respect the brain. The stuff you kept, no, they didn't. Look, you look it up. Well, I'm sure they didn't know everything about the human body, the way people know it today. That's what I'm saying. Why would they attach significance to something in the brain if they don't think that's where? Because I think through psychedelic drugs. I think when they were doing these heavy psychedelic drugs, which by the way, were absolutely being used by them by tons of cultures. But tons of cultures. Listen, because dude, this is the thing where I really blew my mind because I was looking at it. You don't want to even believe rumors. That's what's going on again. No, I saw. Do you ever look at somebody while you're on DMT? You won't be tripped again. You smoke it? No, I've always kept my eyes closed. Okay. Well, two times close my eyes and one time over my eyes and look at somebody and they had six arms like a Hindu. Yeah. Somebody else just said, she was just saying this. I might've been telling you this at the comedy store. You told me at the great room. What is it? Your time perception gets broken down. It's the craziness. And so then motion looks like sick. Like Shiva. It looked like a Hindu thing. And I'm like, wow, I imagine beyond that stuff and you see some, I mean, it looked that looked to me so much like a vision from DMT. Those six arm kind of guy. Well, dude, I collect that kind of art like Buddhas and shit like that, like this kind of shit. Cause I saw this. I saw this image, this exact image. I mean, this has a third eye and everything. The sculptor made this for me. I don't remember. Really? I don't remember. I can remember right now, but I don't. Um, but yeah, sculptor made that for me based on this vision that I had high on DMT. I saw an infinite number of those. Really? I saw one hovering here and then in every direction out from him, there was an infinite number of those and they were all hovering and vibrating around me. So it's a crackle. Is it like fractal? It's a hundred percent. What do you think? What do you think? What do you think? Um, having done it, like, what do you think? Uh, uh, uh, what do you think now with DMT after, you know, I, I think I saw just a couple things, but I don't know how long ago they were of you talking about it with people, but you, what's your opinion of it now as like, uh, you know, what you're seeing? Well, it could be anything. It definitely could be some sort of a insane hijacking of your sensory nervous system. And it produces this spectacular psychedelic effect that's so profound, the hallucinogenic effect that's so profound that it literally is like a transcendent experience and changes your life. It's totally possible. It's totally possible that it's just a chemical thing. What's also possible, what's also possible is that life itself, that whatever the fuck life is, and especially whatever the fuck intelligent life is, is not understood. What consciousness is, is not understood. And this idea that things can only exist in this realm, that's not proven. Also the fact that when those quantum physicist guys start breaking down the nature of reality and they come up with, I don't know how the fuck they do this. I'm just talking down my ass, but they come up with the idea that there's 11 dimensions right and that they literally, I mean, and this is all changing and constantly evolving and moving. And they're constantly adding to this. It is entirely possible that there's a bunch of other shit that's around us all the time. That's just not here. And we don't have access to it. And when you do DMT, you go into that other place. That's what's so fucking unsettling, dude. It's like, it's not like you're going, it's like the shit's here. Well, that's why you as a skeptic, it's very important to hear from you. Like a guy like you. I'll tell you what I'll, cause I drew a shitty diagram of it, but this is what I felt, this is what it feels like if you ever do it. Like this little point, let's say this little point is you. This is what I felt like. And these, these lines I drew, that's like space and you're at this little point that gets stabbed into space time and all this shit, this is all the shit that makes you like it forms a point. It's like closing your eyes and looking at all of, all of this shit that's been cross-section of your being. Everything being focused into making, if you could like just reverse look at it. Dude, I always feel like it's lessons. I always feel like it's lessons. I always feel like it's time to go to school. Sit down, sit down. Here's what's going on. The one of the last ones, more profound ones was a bunch of gestures that were all giving me the finger. Really? They were all circling around me like, give me the finger. Like who named you? That was Twitter. No, you know what I'm trying to teach you about Twitter. It's teaching, if you're tense, if you're tense, if you're reacting negatively to this gesture, giving you the finger, like how do you feel of yourself? Are you in constant defensive mode? And then when I sort of relaxed myself, they started wagging their finger back and forth like, yep, that's it. That's it. That's cool. It's very, very strange. These things that you see but you can't define are constantly changing. So if you try to like say, oh, it looked like a gesture. It probably did for a few seconds. For a few seconds it looked like a gesture and then it imploded and became stars and then it sucked in and became geometric patterns and then became neon colored worms that were making love to each other and a giant infinite bundle of yarn. Like it becomes weirder and weirder shit all the time. Is it hard to remember when you're done? It's almost impossible. Even me saying I'm kind of full of shit. I'm kind of full of shit because I don't totally remember what I saw. I remember what I remember to write down. I remember what I repeated. So I'm like going back on like my repeated versions of what I saw. I just I remember like flashes of the intense profound nature of the experience. Is there emotions to it? Like it's unraveling. And when I came out of it the first time, this is on New Year's the first time I did it and I fucking I guess I was like weeping but when I came out of it because you just suddenly are awake and I had like I was so out of it it was like not I went from weeping like oh hey what's up like and because I've been staring some crazy thing that would like look so beautiful to me. But it was like that it was like coming out of a dream I guess almost. What's that mechanic quote that I think what I'd be scared of is unearned wisdom. I think mechanic said something like be care be like be wary of unearned wisdom where I don't know if I can handle looking at something that intense. I was really low feeling state when I did it and I didn't give a fuck so I wanted to do it. You pick up slack you know that unearned wisdom thing I think I know what he's saying and I think there's a real problem with people acting profound when they just learned something an hour ago. Are you saying I'm not a shaman? No. I'm not a qualified shaman now. There's a thing that people enjoy doing and it's like like jizzing out their knowledge. Yeah. You know. And a lot of that is unearned knowledge like there's a lot of people that don't really have a full and including me. My mind balls are so full. Not having a full understanding of the topic at hand. Life jizzes. And you just jizz it out. Yeah jizz it man. But you look for sure you learn a lot about yourself when you do those experiences. I learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot about how I interact with people. I saw negative thoughts like expressed as like this dark green and black twisted sort of pattern and then when my thoughts went positive it blossomed like the most beautiful flowers you can imagine. Whoa. It was crazy. It was a lesson in thinking toxically and then and this is probably like 2008 ish somewhere around then that was this particular experience that literally changed who I am. Literally changed how I talk to people. Literally changed how I feel about people. Watching a negative thought being expressed as this dark pattern and then the positive thought just I just let it go like oh I see I see I'm doing it to myself then boom. Right. And then you just relax and enjoy this is so beautiful and because you're looking at something so beautiful that feeling of seeing beauty makes it more beautiful and just getting more and my tears are rolling down my eyes. I mean it's a stunning stunning experience. Dude I was a guy it's easier to do that now besides that but I know what you mean. I wish I could remember seeing it though. I remember it happened and I remember the dark green and black but it's so I remember so little of what I actually saw. It's a total recreation in my mind. Yeah. Which is a real problem with memory. It's a real problem with regular memory. Forget about something as spectacularly unique and odd as a psychedelic experience but just regular memory. I mean I try to think of what I did yesterday. I know what I did. Did you ever get the information late like the last time I did it this one really blew me away is because I was saying I was going I won't forget. And by the way I forgot immediately. It's like a joke. You say a joke you have to write it down. You're supposed to talk into a microphone like talk into a recorder like right away when you get out and then try to decipher that. Mostly I feel like I can't talk. I mean usually I feel like I can't talk. As soon as you can though what you do is just use the voice app on your phone and as soon as you can talk hit record and just ramble. You're gonna go oh my god I'm a fucking moron. Because it's gonna sound if you're sober it's gonna sound so stupid. Dude that's my favorite. Like ayahuasca it's an inner journey and battle like yeah on the inside on the outside you're just puking and projectile shitting. Yeah gibbering like an idiot. That's a metaphor for Twitter.