Joe Rogan | Why is Jon Jones Talking Trash to Stylebender? w/Brendan Schaub

He's so fucking good, man. Why is Style Bender and Jon Jones, why are they talking shit to each other? Did you know it started? Yeah, Jon did a, originally it did start with Jon, he came out in an interview and goes, you know Style Bender's looking good, he's fighting 85, it's only a matter of time before I think we cross paths, which is silly. And then Style Bender, I think TMZ asked him, he's like, oh I already beat one goat, I need another one, you know, I'm just getting started. But if you're Jon, why are you even engaging in this? Why are you punching it down? It's great for Jon. Because Santa's, well. It's great for Jon because he wants to let everybody know, hey, I'm the best motherfucker on the planet. But we know this. Yeah, but he wants to let everybody know. Like when there's a car that's about someone else, I mean he's active now, right? Jon Jones got momentum now. Think about where he's at right now, he's in his 30s, right? Long ass fucking career as champion as the best ever. He's on a run right now, that's what I think. I think they took it away from him for all those months when he tested positive, that long suspension, all that time off, all money that he should have made, all the legacy that he could have laid down. And now I think he's just fucking chasing it. I'm all about it, 100% all about it. However, talking to 183 pounders kind of silly. Yeah, but if you say that in an interview, I don't think that's that disrespectful. I don't either. The way he said it is that one day maybe we're gonna fight. Yeah, but then Style Bender, you know, TMZ asked him, they don't shit about fighting. Like, oh this guy's big, this guy's big, they're both black, let's fight. They have no idea. You know, that's what they think. So then it gets picked up. But then also, I think John Jones is the hot, you know, senior in high school, and Style Bender's the new freshman who's hot, and it's like Mean Girls, like fuck that dude. It's also, I wonder how much of this is like, they all agree is good for business. It's entertainment. Yeah, it's good for business. Well look at Conner. Anytime there's a fight, blast something out. Well not just blast something out. I mean, Conner's real good about that, but like the way he's able to turn these shit talkers and talking back and forth into publicity for fights. There is real shit talking, it is psychological warfare, but it also hypes people up to no end, like the Khabib fight. All the craziness that led to that, obviously that backfired when Khabib tried to fucking attack him after it was over, and it was jumping in the crowd, and all the other people punched him in the head, and all that craziness that happened. Khabib's never been bigger. Yeah, look, Khabib's never been bigger, Conner's never been bigger. And yeah, I mean. He needs to fight, he needs to fight. He needs to fight. He needs to fight. You guys know this, I ride Conner's nuts, I ride Khabib's nuts, style Benner's nuts, but with Conner, I'm like, God, hopefully something gets lined up. Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is like, that shit talking. Keeps you relevant. It was, yeah, it's worth something. It's worth something to both of them. Like if Style Ben, their end John Jones did decide to fight one day, that shit's worth something to both of them. Agree. Yeah. Agree. There's a big gap between 85 and 205 though, man. John's a giant 205-er. John could beat up any heavyweight in the world with these. Could beat up probably six of them in a night. So to fight a 183-er is weird. Yeah. Well, obviously he wouldn't be 183. If Style Benner was gonna do it, I'm sure he'd wanna put some weight on. I imagine. That's such a nightmare. But that's what makes Style Benner special because those guys, same as Matt Shaul, he goes, I'll fight anyone. Yeah, sure. That's what it's all about. It also like, and this is not a knock on Santos or the level competition, but 205, there's really nothing there to get excited about. There's just not. You look at the other divisions. Santos can be a fun fight. He's gonna be a plus 700 plus 800 underdog. So, you know, but I like that John's active. I like watching John beat everyone's ass. Yeah, it's one of those things now where you gotta find contenders for John, right? Because no one's really standing out. Rock hold would be cool at 205. So he heavyweights the place. Dominic Reyes just beat, who did he beat? Did he fight Volkon or Huzdemir? No. Yeah, he did. And I didn't think he beat him. And I'm a Reyes fan, but I don't think he beat Huzdemir. I thought he lost. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. That was a weird decision. Yeah. So that one is, look, Volkon's a very good fighter, no doubt about it, but you saw what Daniel Cormier did to him. Neither one of them are ready for John Jones. Ready for John Jones. They're not even in the same realm. Right, so, but we were looking at Dominic and we were like, that kid's really talented, super, he's got massive potential, and I still think he does. Oh yeah, he's a stud. He's just gonna get better from this. Johnny Walker. Right, but that guy might have a blown shoulder. Let's say he doesn't though. If he doesn't, here's the thing about that. He still four fights away from John Jones. He might be four fights away. Here's the thing, he might knock four people into another dimension on the way to John Jones. Like, guy's something special. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But you gotta knock those four guys out so he can sell this thing. You do, he does. I mean, he's put away two top level guys, pretty spectacularly. And I mean, you look at the way he fights too. He's loose and weird and then boom, jumps on you. It's so special. Power, dude. Fucking crazy power. I think with John, his team's smart. They're going, no, we know heavyweight's there. We're gonna clean out 205. Ain't nobody beating us. We're gonna clean out so we're considered the greatest of all time. Then we'll go to heavyweight and get paid. Well, you know, they wanted this fight. They thought it would be a good fight with Tiago. And I think one of the things that's a good fight, one of the reasons why it's a good fight is Tiago can shut anyone's lights out. He knows he can shut anyone's lights out. That motherfucker throws for the bleacher. When you used to fight at 70? No, 85. 85, right? 85. Struggled to make 85. Look, he's big. He's big. He's big. A big dude. But the fucking power that that guy has, like in the Manoa fight, and he just swings, man. He swings wild. Now John is not going to fight him the way Manoa fought him. Yeah, I can't touch him. You know, John is gonna keep him on the outside with those kicks and he decides to clinch him. He'll clinch him, wrestle him, take him down. John's ground and pound is horrific. His top game is off the chart. Submissions are great. Submissions, everything. Ground and pound. Elbows are from hell. From the top, John Jones gets on top of you. The best. You're getting elbow to oblivion and they're coming one after the other, after the other, after the other. But in the wild exchange, where he has to be careful is that that Tiago dude, Tiago Santos will swing with everything. He will throw it all in there. John's not even gonna engage in that. You're not even gonna see the opportunity. That's what makes him so special. Those guys that go, that's where your one place is to win, watch this, and he just cancels it out. I don't think that he would willingly wade into a firefight. But it could happen. But it could happen. That's how you sell a fight, sir. It could happen. See, what John is gonna do, if I had to guess, is try to further cement his legacy. He's gonna fight the best way he can. He's got great coaches. They know what the fuck they're doing. He's gonna go in there, he's gonna kick that dude. If he decides to clinch with him, he's gonna have a giant advantage in the wrestling. But he's gotta be careful on the way in, man. That dude will swing, he will try to kill you. He swings in a different way. He swings like this ain't making it to the fifth round. There's no fifth round. He's not even looking. That guy is just, every shot, he's trying to take the lights out. No, I'm definitely gonna watch it. He's a wild motherfucker, man. I think this is an interesting fight. John Jones should be the strong favorite. He should be a giant favorite. But it doesn't mean it's not gonna be interesting. Because this dude's style, because he's so fucking wild. The question is gonna be, how does he perform? How does he perform when that octagon door shuts, and you look over, you see it's John Jones. Title fight. The title fight. But I think one of the reasons why John talking shit to Style Bender is one of the pros is, we're talking about him, right? Because we probably wanna talk about him versus Santos on this show, if it wasn't happening. It keeps him relevant. He is probably the biggest name in the sport now, outside Connor, the guy who's the most active. Him could be probably the biggest names. Him talking shit to Style Bender. I actually think it helps Style Bender too, right? Because now he's associated with the greatest of all time. He wants to be the greatest of all time. But when he just, and it's gonna get there, and I can't fucking wait. When he goes, all right, I'm ready for heavyweight. Him versus Francis. Dude, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?