Joe Rogan & Tim Pool on Gavin McInnes and Context

Racist mob that was that's like the label they get put on them, right? Yeah, and then you know like that was the label that was put on the Proud Boys almost immediately, right? But they're white supremacists even though there was people of color that were amongst their ranks and well They changed the definition of racist. Do you know what the whole origin of the Proud Boys is? I do. Yes It's kind of fucking hilarious. Yeah, I'm Not good Anthony Kumiad told the whole story on this show because it happened with him and and Gavin McGinnis That Gavin McGinnis came up with it because of a guy that worked there and they were doing it as a goof Yeah And then it became a movement and then became like anybody can join and the people that joined they they took it into A radical way and then it became looking to beat up Antifa and it's just like fuck well Gavin's crossed the line Yes, that's you know There's and I'll point this out for your you mentioned media matters in a recent, you know that you're talking about Alex Jones I wouldn't use them as a source for anything. Well, that's a good point Yeah, but it was just clips of Alex talking. It doesn't matter they There's a there's a clip going around of Gavin McGinnis where you can hear him saying these crazy things and you're like Well, he said it right but it turns out some of the clips he was talking about dogs They you know, you really can take the context out of things and these clips. I understand that Yeah, so so what happens if I'm even afraid in my videos I don't quote people anymore because people have taken me reading a quote from a newspaper and attribute it to me Simply for reading someone else's quote and they say oh, but he said it right? I mean you look at The relief the really funny instance of Count Dankula the guy with the Nazi pug That is a hilarious story and they told him context didn't matter So when he leaves the courtroom the reporter says you said this phrase which I'm not gonna say right and he says so did you If context doesn't matter right you should be arrested too. Yes, but that's you know So so what ends up happening is these activist groups? They take these quotes out of context But but admittedly I think it's fair to point out a lot of people recognize Gavin if you can assume there were jokes or not Doesn't matter. He said things that were over the over the line Well Gavin's the main problem the indefensible problem was the call to violence right the calling calling for violence and I don't think Gavin's like he's another one who's like a prankster He's like a punk rock style prankster and he likes to burn it to the ground Yep, and look I'm a fan of Gavin's interviews on YouTube where he he hoodwinks people And to sitting down and talking to him or I don't even know if they're still up anymore But my understanding is he ruined some chicks life. I mean this like somewhat figuratively She was a left-wing individual. He she didn't know who he was He asked her to come on and her friends basically just disavowed her immediately because she was talking to him because she sounded unintelligent oh Tell you man. Yeah, he cornered her. I don't know if you have this issue but for the longest time It's it's it's substantially harder to interview someone on the ideological left than anyone else, right? So I recently reached out to you know I regularly reach out to people I don't I'm not gonna name drop because I don't want to drag people But man it takes weeks trying to organize a meeting with some you know these personalities who are progressives and on the left we Yep Even even people who like I've gotten messages from people saying yeah, man I watch yourself all the time, but hold on let me let me think about it and talk to some people first And I'm not saying they're doing it because they're you know skittish or it's just harder. It's a lot harder Well, they're probably more cautious Especially if you know your where your ideology stand is ambiguous. They're trying to figure it out Oh, yeah, if you're if you're you know Man even even David pack David pacman and Jimmy Dore get get dragged through this sometimes Yeah, I see people on Twitter calling them alt right weirdly enough or intellectual dark web Jimmy Dore is an interesting character I really like that guy yeah, I think he's such an interesting guy. He's very smart But he's he's like oh, he's an angry lefty, but you know like but he defends free speech Yeah, he defends expression. He's a hundred percent here's my thing man. I was in Berkeley It was this big protest against Ben Shapiro, and there's a guy wearing a mask with a you know communist flag full like red gear So I got to interview him, and I'm like you mind if I interview he's like yeah Yeah, of course I was like really oh that's surprising and then we start talking and I said how do you feel about these people addressing all black? And you know are fighting people and causing problems. Oh, that's terrible. I was like it you think so really it's actually I'm surprised because often when I see people wearing you know fully masked up with communist stuff They're typically in favor of the by any means that by any means necessary strategies, and he was like no way man That's wrong, and so I'm like you know what man. I don't care if you're a communist I don't care if you're whatever as long as you're not an authoritarian who thinks you have the right to beat other people to instill your ideology on them yeah, or use manipulative force or coercion or extortion like So let me let me let me let me talk about why I think what we're seeing with Twitter might be one of the biggest problems ever Twitter YouTube Facebook these platforms are where we exist socially politically. It's where our ideas are exchanged It's where we learn about who we're going to vote for or why we won't vote for somebody when you ban somebody you exile them They're no longer a part of that conversation, so they're very much so told you are outside the city walls, right? You can't come in you can't talk to us. There's nothing you can do about it But then you when you realize the rules are actually bent You know they're slanted in a certain direction you can then predict where things are going