Joe Rogan | The Influence of El Chapo w/Ed Calderon

The Gold Guns big giveaway Oh, Gold Guns are, you know, that's how you know Yeah, there's some amazing websites that document all the different stuff that the cartel has but they love Gold Guns Yeah, that's, you know, Ochapo got like a very special Gold Gun when he was named one of the top earners in the Forbes list I think he got his number on the gun and everything The second to last time he got caught because he got caught a lot of times and escaped Somebody in the military that got him took it, you know Oh no And it ended up in the museum I think it's in a museum somewhere in Mexico City where a lot of these Gold Guns, that's a war trophy for those guys, right? So this is like a Gold Gun section of the museum? Yes, yes there is Moxie, Mexico City Wow Yeah, that's pretty wild Gold Gun, Gold AK-47, you know Now, if everything is so corrupt down there, how does a guy like El Chapo keep getting popped? Because when I saw his escape Yeah I was like, this is hilarious The fact that this guy goes to the toilet and then he opens a door and boop He's in a tunnel and on an electric scooter and goes a mile, pops up on the other side And they had everything set up for him with electricity Like, I mean, you know, the, I think the thing that people kind of don't understand about the corruption is it's not just corruption because people are greedy It's also fear-based corruption So if you don't do what I say, we're going to kill everybody in your family, even your dog That type of thing, right? So after El Chapo got escaped that last time, you know, all of the staff at the jail got put in prison And really So they were all part of it There's rumors that they were, you know Seems like somebody had to hear all that digging Of course, you know, it's only a mile away They dug the tunnel It was pretty deep Yeah Some things that should have been patrolled weren't patrolled It was a pretty good well-made tunnel for what it was Really well-made So a lot of the people that El Chapo actually used for these tunnel operations Because the same people that he used for the tunnels in the border region All the active tunnels that are somewhere, you know, along the border All those guys were pulled in from From silver mining companies that used to operate all over Mexico That kind of went into the toilet So they were looking for jobs and Wow, get El Chapo out, it's a good job That's the horror of drug tunnels, you know When you saw all that shit go down with Sean Penn and Sean Penn visiting El Chapo And Sean Penn writing an article for Rolling Stone Like, were you like, what in the fuck is going on here? Yes, for some reason that might not be, you know, mainly was why are they giving him Why are they giving him this celebrity status? Yeah You know, there's a lot of glorification and a lot of, you know, people venerating some of these people down there, you know, and they do a lot of harm, you know So he's basically giving a voice to somebody It would be the equivalent of somebody up here giving a voice to somebody that was responsible for a lot of damage that's done to the US, you know It's why do you think they did that? Like, what was the romance? It was romantic, right? Something about it. It's like here's Sean Penn, one of our biggest movie stars Yeah, with one of the biggest drug dealers ever I mean, he is El Chapo down because I've been to Sinaloa and I've actually done classes there Which was pretty surreal He is a folk hero He's Robin Hood, basically, to these people And like, when this real moment that I had down there, I was driving along this Bad bumpy ride highway and all of a sudden turned into a nice kind of highway And the guys that I was with told me, oh yeah, this is the cartel made this highway And the back part of it, that's the government part of the highway This is the good one, you know Schools, careers, lawyers, doctors, all their careers paid for Immigration processes of people that want to come over here, sponsorships, all that type of stuff On both sides, right? So, this panel of influence, that's how he kind of got to where he was He was always helping people and he was investing in people And these people, these investments would pay later on, you know In a lot of ways, it sounds like he benefited them He benefited some aspects of the community Yeah, I mean, the reason why the military couldn't get them People could take corruption, but because he had a human shield around him You know, all these towns owed schools, hospitals Instead of Christmas down there, they celebrate the day of the kings So, they would get presents Mother's Day, they would all get presents, that type of thing So, why would we want to help the military come in here and get El Chapo He's doing this type of stuff And that is the same all over Mexico with some of the cartels You know, the hearts and minds type approach is what makes some of these groups long lived So, how much of an effort is there to eradicate the cartels? Because if you can get a guy like El Chapo, who at least in terms of like popularity Is he at the top of the list? As far as popularity? At the top of the list, as far as popularity But as far as the actual drug dealers Is he at the top of the list or are there more clever folks that hide underground? Yeah, there's rumors of people above him that are still out there somewhere That's what everybody, like that's the great conspiracy Is that like, El Chapo is basically the bank manager Well, you know, he has a compadre You know, compadre is somebody that if you're the godfather of my kid You're my compadre, right? So he has a compadre out there, El Mayo Sambada And he is still out there, right? And the extent of how he works and where he works is unknown So he's more slick Exactly He tries to stay more low key Well, there's, you know, some people get sick with the fame probably And they want to go outside Well, once that TV show, Narcos, came on Yeah Then, well, people, I think there's a lot of people who did not realize how crazy the life of Pablo Escobar was And what really went down in Colombia Yeah, I mean, it's crazy Pablo Escobar was a single, you know, he was a phenomenon in his time and age But he was one man Now imagine replicating that type of insanity over the span of Mexico And it's about eight or nine guys, you know That was the 90s or the early 2000s Because these guys were, you know, Legion of Doom type thing Where they would be enemies But they would have reunions and they would meet up and kind of agree on, you know, certain things And stuff Just like in the Pablo Escobar show Yeah So they really do that They get together and have meetings and sometimes they kill each other That's the reality You know, they do at times or did at times Because things are currently, after El Chapo, you know, things kind of shift and change What happened? Well, main thing is a power vacuum And with a power vacuum and legalization on this side of certain substances like marijuana The pot fields are now poppy fields And new things like them now dedicated themselves to heroin instead of the weed Bisteriously, there's still weed fields on there for some reason You know, you guys are way better at making it than anybody down there But for some reason, there's still some weed fields Well, I think it's a lot of access, especially in the states where it's prohibited Yeah, just they're probably more willing to get it to the people It's probably it Meth precursors being brought in from China to Mexico or now being made in Mexico Like industrial level stuff And a new upsurging cartel down there that is trying to overtake the Sinaloa cartel The new generation cartel is coming out of Wallahara And they're kind of really militarized kind of wing of cartel activities that are trying to take control over the whole thing You