Joe Rogan & Ted Nugent Disagree Over Marijuana

No drugs, no alcohol, no tobacco. Well you drink a little wine though, right? And no fat pussy. I'm telling you that shit will kill ya. No fat pussy? No. Not even a little? I'm allergic. I'm a big fan for those who want, but no. Don't you drink a little wine though? I do drink a little wine, but I don't think that qualifies as a drinker. Right. You're just having a glass of wine with a meal. My sons and my daughters, my brothers, sisters, Thanksgiving dinner, beer. Beer's better than Coke. Right. And lastly, it's when you start to enter the drool zone that I have a big problem. Of course. And all of a sudden, if there's a problem, I can't rely on you anymore. Right. I want to be reliable. Yeah. And that's why I have a problem with comfortably numb. Yeah. I think, in my experience, you can't wake up the bass player because he's comfortably numb. The guys don't show up, he can't tune his guitar, he forgot the licks, we're not as tight as we could be, you're fired. Right. I know what you're saying, but this is what I'm saying to you, is that this is just a discipline issue, and it's not the marijuana or anything that gets people like that. It's a lack of discipline. Do you think- I come from the jujitsu world, and the jujitsu world is filled with people that smoke pot, and these motherfuckers work hard. But they want- What's the number one karate guy who's the guy that died? Bruce Lee? Yeah, Bruce Lee. Okay. Did he smoke dope? He ate hash. He ate hash? Yeah, yeah, he's into eating hash. Here's my question to you- But that's not what killed him. Here's my question to you, as I offered to my son Rocco, because he's an advocate. Of marijuana? Yes. Okay. All right, Rocco. And I said, so do you really believe that perfectly clean and sober, taking care of your health with a conscientious diet, good athletic workout discipline, physical prowess, do you really think that an outside source, peyote, mushrooms, dope, whatever you want to call it, do you really think that with that outside influence, you can do something you can't do unto your God-given gift, individual self? I'm convinced, Joe, that you will be the absolute best you can be. You will accomplish what I think is a self-inflicted curse of modern man, that 90%, 98% of humanity might be tapping into 5% of their capabilities, because they get in a treadmill, they get in a paradigm, self-restricted paradigm, ever so decreasing view of the world and experiences, and the destroyed road over-traveled versus not only the less traveled, but the non-road untraveled, that's my favorite. I'm convinced that you, Joe Rogan, will find your superior, definitive best without any outside influence. I believe you have the power. I think I have the power when I get on stage tonight, and you've got to come witness this. My bad, and I do. We'll work something out. We'll figure out a time. I can't come tonight, unfortunately. It's like an orgie, so with the improv. Of human fire. We put our fists together and chant James Brown and Wilson Pickett and Funk Brothers, and it's like the last wolves on an island, gnashing of teeth over the last bone and shard of flesh. It's an out-of-body, soaring above life itself experience that we have in us. I don't need anything. It's in me. I understand that, but you don't use anything. So you're talking from a place of non-experience when it comes to marijuana or mushrooms or any of these things. But my 70 years, I'd say at least 55 of those years from the beatniks to the hippies to the friends, and you've got to meet this Wayne Kramer guy, MC5 guitarist, new book, The Hard Stuff. He and I were born the same time, same influences as Detroit, the Swamps, the Outdoors, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Motown, James Brown. He started smoking dope. I didn't. And he's got heroin and a crack and any prison and stealing and arrested. I'm having the time of my life, and he's like wallowing in a cesspool of dog shit. And I'm not knocking Wayne. I'm saying that he was courageous to write this book. It's a brilliant book. You've got to have him on. You're going to read it. You're going to be consumed by his conversational writing of the MC5's ascension to the most authoritative powerhouse music I've ever witnessed in my life to a bunch of dirt bags on the downward spiral because of drugs and alcohol. I know that happens. It definitely happens. But it happens with everything. It happens with people. They eat too much food. It happens with people with gambling. It happens with a bunch of different things. But I think it's because of discipline. It's because they don't have a clear path. I think it's because they let themselves become self-indulgent and they let themselves be weak. What I'm saying is that I know a lot of people who use, whether it's psychedelics or they use marijuana, and they use it to enhance their perspective. It doesn't become the primary focus of their life. It doesn't consume their life. They don't allow it to consume their life. There's a whole other world of disciplined marijuana enthusiasts. And they're confused, the same way people confuse hunters. The same way people think of hunters as being lazy, drunken slobs who are cruel to animals. And you and I know that that's not the case at all. Rare. Some of the most disciplined, focused and... Best people in the world. Intense people. Yes. Because to be a Cameron Haynes, to be a John Dudley, you have to be a superior type of human being. Super athletes, yeah. You have to be able to execute in that extreme moment, that moment where that animal walks out into that shooting window and you're looking at this 390 bull elk. God help us all. And it's screaming, screaming and... It's overwhelming. ...overwhelming all over itself. Overwhelming. And it's 40 yards away and you're centering that pin. It takes... Magic. ...a powerful human being to execute that shot. And I don't think most people are aware of that. Most people don't know. In the same way that that's misunderstood, I think marijuana is misunderstood because there's a lot of dummies in this world. If you get a group of 100 people, what are the odds that one of them is going to be a dummy? It's fucking 100%. Yeah. Right? 100%. Nowadays more than one. Well, if you get a group of 100 people that use marijuana, the one loud fucking stupid one defies, or defines rather, what marijuana users are. You see that fucking idiot who's pissing all over himself and falling down so high he can't walk. That's what you think of. You don't think of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt that smokes pot and then goes out and strangles 50 people in class. You don't think of people that take yoga class high on marijuana. Strangling. There should be a soul. Strangling. Yeah. Listen, a lot of people... Well, I am absorbing, absorbing, and respecting and considering your words. It can get away from you. Yeah. It can get away from you. That's all I've ever seen. But everything can get away from you. That's all I've ever seen. But I think it's because these people that consume it, they don't have those other qualities. They don't have discipline and focus. They don't have respect for their body. See, the thing with the, especially in the jiu-jitsu community, it's super common. It's really, really, really common. Yeah, I mean, there's a show called High Rollers where these guys, they put together a jiu-jitsu tournament and everybody had to get high before they rolled. And you're talking like elite world class Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts competing high on marijuana. And that's got to be one of the highest forms of discipline available to us. It's a very, very difficult thing to do with your body. Right there with the camera and the hands behind and climbing, bow hunting, calling a nook in your lap, you know. Well, you're doing an art that's designed to break bodies. And the two of you are going to do it together and the whole idea is that you're going to get someone into a position where they have to tap or they're going to get their arms snapped or they're going to get choked unconscious. It's an intense, extremely difficult pursuit and a lot of people do it under the influence of marijuana. Do you know any of these master jiu-jitsu martial artists that don't do any? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And how do they perform? They perform well, very well. There's elite world class athletes in jiu-jitsu that don't smoke marijuana. Do you know if the world champion got high or not? Well, I know a lot of them do. You know where I'm going with this. I do, but I know a lot of them do. A lot of world champions do. I know a lot of like real, multiple time world champions that are marijuana users. How about world champions that don't get high? There's a lot of those too. What happens with marijuana is this increased sensitivity that a lot of people talk about and they call it paranoia because there's a lot of things that people put blinders on in their life. A lot of people aren't aware. Because of your hunting, you're spending time in the woods. You're soaking in all the variables, the sound, the wind. I'm a radar. You're there, right? You're aware. There's a lot of people that go through life like this. No kidding. They go through life like they're looking through a toilet paper roll. They're in the left lane right now. Yeah. They're not using their blinkers. And those people, when they smoke marijuana, they freak out. They get paranoid because what's happening is the marijuana increases your sensitivity and makes you aware of all these variables and a lot of people consider that paranoia. You start freaking out about all these variables. You start thinking about your mortality. And instead of embracing this time as a magical moment, instead of being in this moment, you just start getting overwhelmed and you feel your own heartbeat and you start freaking out. I feel this all the time. Yeah. It's without anything. It's an entheogen. It brings you closer to whatever you are when you're not encumbered by your ego. I will admit, inescapable, that everything affects everyone differently. But once you make it widespread, I mean, I've studied the results of legalization for recreational use in Colorado and how the highway fatalities and accidents have increased. But you know what else has increased? The population in proportion to the accidents. So it causes breeding? It causes more people there. More people are there. So you're having more accidents there. The problem is there's a boom of population. Also a boom in the economy, a boom in the real estate, the real estate's taking off. Yeah, there's a lot of losers there too. There's a lot of hacky sack playing dirty, stinky hippies that are wandering around with no shoes on. You're going to get those. You're going to get those. You know, if you have an opening, welcome society that doesn't lock those people up, you're going to have those. It's a part of freedom. Yeah, it sucks. Look, losers are a part of this safe world that our kids are allowed to wander through. We want the world to be safe. So sometimes things are too safe. You nerf the edges and you get a bunch of people that are used to hitting their heads on things and they're not worried about it. You're going to have these losers, but it doesn't mean that everybody who does it's a loser. I know a lot of CEOs of big corporations that have extreme rights, responsibilities, and they like to smoke a little pot. I get punched back off and on Facebook. I'm a successful guy. I run my family. I'm a good dad. I'm a good hunter and I'm a Trump supporter and I get high. It's like, oh, God bless you. I don't watch babysitting my kids. Well, you're high. Yeah, but it's discipline. Discipline is the thing that fucks people up and the lack of discipline. The lack of discipline. I think that's with everything. It could be with sex. It could be with gambling. It could be with extreme risky behaviors. People could just get real nutty and get carried away with things. Sometimes those things are just a big distraction for the lack of discipline they have in pursuing their own goals in life. I think that that is the real high in life. The real high in life is pursuing difficult things. Gratification. Yes, getting good at them and then accomplishing your goals. There's a high to that that's, you can't find that in pills. It doesn't exist in a needle. That high is a high of discipline and determination and focus and learning. But there's so much weakness out there, especially in a society that's been spoiled for so long and you get a trophy if you don't even show up and you can't hurt people's feelings and bully your, get bullied and you cry instead of fighting back. I mean there's so many manifestations of a cultural deprivation that runs a muck in our society that my fear is, and I've studied all these mass shootings. Joe, the Virginia Tech shooter, high. Well they're all- Columbine, high. Yeah, but they're all on SSRIs. They're all on pills and pharmaceuticals. Almost all of them are on the Prozac. Yeah. Their parents are- Almost all of them. Are chemical covering up a kid that shows enthusiasm. Yes, I agree. It's called attention disorder now. I mean if they had that back when I was growing up, I'd end up playing, I don't know, I'd end up being Ozzy. But the problem is the word drugs. Like you and I are drinking coffee. We're on drugs right now. We're on caffeine. This is a drug. There's some drugs that if used responsibly are okay. A glass of wine with dinner is a drug. Understood. It's a mild drug. A little tiny toke. Ah. Yeah. And if you're drunk with the Mrs, that's a little drug. It makes you more- See I've never smoked because I can't smoke. I mean even when I shoot my machine guns, all I do is chew on a Cuban. I don't really smoke it. Well you can get-