Joe Rogan - Some People Still Don't Know How Bad SeaWorld Really Is

How often have you encountered orcas? I've never seen an orca really no, not no I mean not other than see world's kidnapping of them Foxy world. Yeah, I'm with ya I don't I just don't understand I Mean, I guess I understand cuz I was a kid once and I went there, but I don't understand how a rational logical thinking adult Could take their kids to see world after all the information that's out there about About the social behaviors about how smart these animals are about how gotten to a lot of people unfortunately Yeah, I know I agree with you if you did get the information Yeah, a lot of people just don't know they think oh, they're they're fed. They're healthy Yeah, they don't yeah, I got in this battle with and look I'm no scientist I debate people all the time, but I'm no scientist obviously I just I think I have a pretty good heart And I feel bad for animals that are locked up that need to travel a hundred miles a day Yeah in their social packs, and they need to have interaction with other animals, and they need a certain amount of space I mean imagine you think about solitary confinement for a prison guy a prisoner Who's in a who's in a room? That's no wider than they are tall and maybe twice as twice as long as they are tall You know and and there's no interaction with other people they go crazy most people come out of prisons and jails worse than they went in because of this kind of Thing that happens to him yeah, but I think of being in there for 30 years Just wondering is there another whale on the other side of that wall Can I get some fish and I mean yeah you go nuts and you see these videos of the trainer that was killed And a trainer one trainer luckily the guy was a great freediver And he lived through a basically an attack by an orca and the thing knew he wanted to get over to that wall And he went nope I'm not gonna play with you And I'm just gonna keep pulling you down and pulling you down the guy was good enough Freediver to be able to know okay. I got to conserve my energy. I got to bring my heart rate down I'm gonna have to hold my breath against my will when I don't know what's gonna happen a friend of mine used to work at Marine land in Canada my friend Phil Phil Demers And he was an orca trainer and you know and he's trying to get Marine land closed down There's this big lawsuit with them, and he's been involved in a lawsuit with them for over five years now I was just hanging out with him in Toronto and He was a walrus trainer, and this is walrus that he was taken care of it's the only one that's left there that survived and Marine land is like slowly going bankrupt the guy was the original owner is now bad quickly go bankrupt So it's so dark man the whole the whole business is so dark because you know a lot of them say oh We won't take any you know orcas or dolphins from captivity But they'll get them from people that stole them in the wild and they they breed You know I think there's no more breeding a lot in America Yeah But they'll get them from someone that bred them in Canada or Russia rather or China or where someplace where there's not as many rules You know John Lilly who was the guy who actually invented the isolation tank is a he was a pioneer in interspecies communication Which is it's a weird? Field he was a scientist that was also he took like extreme liberties With his scientific research took a lot of acid gave acid to dolphins Did a lot of dolphin research in the flotation tank did a lot of really really wacky shit But he believed that one day dolphins were gonna have a seat in the United Nations He believed we're gonna be able to communicate with dolphins and that dolphins were gonna be recognized as water people He thought they were gonna be literally they thought there was smart as human beings Amazing and that if we could figure out how to communicate with them. They would have the same rights as human beings Yeah, and that was a genius. Yeah, I mean just he and I I agree with him I think there's just a level of communication There's a way that they have communicating that we don't understand, but it's super complex their own dialects Yeah, they they have this crazy social code I mean they they have something like incredibly dynamic about their their environment and their their their you know their social groups to be To be able to speak a language you need to know like 150 words There was a dolphin that knew like 700 words or 300 words. I don't know like hundreds of commands. Yeah human words Yeah, you know how many dolphin words we know zero. Yeah Fucking clue yeah, we have no idea We don't know what the fuck they're saying, but they're just saying so goddamn stupid you fucking Stop giving me macro Like they don't know we're making fun of them for hundreds of years I don't think they know what to do with them well, one of the things that Phil was working with was There's a group What was that group that were there trying to they're gonna create a boundary out in the ocean and slowly release these? Dolphins and orcas out into this boundary and then you know and keep feeding them but then slowly Open ocean pens yeah, they're talking about doing that possibly and that would be a way for people to actually experience it because it the idea is that You and I had a debate with this trainer. I watched blackfish and it just freaked me out and of course it's There's probably a lot of confirmation bias. There's probably some information in there that is is not totally unbiased, right? Obviously, they're trying to make a point but this one was Talked to all the different trainers and stuff. I got in contact a guy got in contact with me That was a trainer and he said Kelly the whole movie is BS I think I believe this guy was actually in the movie. He's like it was all BS Orcas live longer in in captivity than they do in the wild. He told me that Orcas haven't been in captivity as long as they live yet, so we don't know that so that's completely a lie. It's He has no idea if that's true He said they're more healthy. He told me all these things and I just finally went this guy's just full of shit I I don't know. I I Can't buy what he's telling me and he's but he said I'm a trainer. I've been a trainer for it I I looked him up and saw us because that's why he makes his living exactly and I know some dolphin trainers And I actually went to see world a few times in Australia I used to know a few of the trainers back in the late 90s and I went there a few times when with the dolphins The first day I was there one thing was I asked him was like today Well, these guys ever get set free and right then I could feel a little pullback, you know Like straight away. I could feel like I'm maybe and I release my slaves Yeah I felt a little uncomfortable to keep asking questions because it is their livelihood and I had a respect for that and I know That all these trainers love these animals. They really truly like probably love them more than they love most people But that doesn't make it right