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Joey Diaz is a stand-up comic and New York Times bestselling author. He's the host of the podcast "Uncle Joey's Joint with Joey Diaz," co-host of "The Check-In" with Lee Syatt, and author of "Tremendous: The Life of a Comedy Savage." www.joeydiaz.net
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T.J. English is an author and journalist known primarily for his non-fiction books about the Irish mob, organized crime, criminal justice and the American underworld. His latest book "The Corporation: An Epic Story of the Cuban American Underworld" is available now on Amazon.
It's just crazy to me that you got so deeply entrenched reading the story that you started getting into San Maria. I was actually into San... I was married to a Brazilian for 10 years. Ah, so they have a version of San Maria as well? They have their own version of San Maria. It's called Macumba. And what's different about their version? It's almost exactly the same. They have all the same saints. It's the same thing. The same thing because the slave trade came through Brazil. Yes, Africa, Catholicism, mixing. Just the music is different. With the Cubans, it's a rumba. All this wonderful rumba music that you hear. There's a whole bunch of great music that grows up around it. So you were married to a Brazilian woman. You get divorced, you keep the religion. Is that what happened? Yeah. I can't go to places like Cuba and Brazil because I get so influenced and overwhelmed by the changes in the direction of my life. I went to Brazil. The first full day I was in Brazil, I fell in love with the woman that I married and lived with for the next 10 years. Wow. When I go to Cuba, it's dangerous to me because I'm so seduced by it. I'm so intoxicated by Havana, by Cuban culture. What is it? Well, first of all, it's the most sensual place. Havana is the most sensual place I've ever been. Everyone flirts. The women flirt. It doesn't matter if they're married or not married. They flirt with you. I suppose guys flirt too. Everyone flirts. There's like sexual energy everywhere. The sky and the climate is just kind of sultry and sensual. The music makes your body move. Joe, would you let me play a video for you to show you some of the dancing in Cuba? Sure. Women dance in Cuba, they cover their pussy. Because what I'm trying to do, the whole dance is me baiting you. It's one of the prettiest things you've ever seen in your life. It's me coming up to you with this movement. Like when I played it like UL, I was getting nowhere with UL. I was getting nowhere. On the podcast. Way before the podcast. He was tightening up. So I had to play the Papinas de Matanzas. And once he heard that, I could see Nigeria coming alive. He even got up and kicked his leg one time, which meant we're on. Because it's so embedded in your culture. But in Cuban dancing, I'm coming up to you and every time I come up and I'll go like this and go like this and you've got to come and put your ass. But the whole time you'll be covering your pussy. Because on the exchange, I'm going to grab your pussy. Harvey Weinstein would do phenomenal in Cuba. Here's how serious I take it, by the way. What is this? Oh, I love Afro-Cuban music. Latin jazz. So I'm hosting, I'm curating and hosting a Latin jazz series in New York at a bar called Zinc. Every Thursday night. TJ English and his Latin jazz explosion. So I get to choose the music, the musicians that perform there and I host the evening. Wow. You do this every week? Yeah. We're going to try to just keep it going indefinitely. That's phenomenal. So this to you was a natural subject to sort of engross yourself. Well I had written, I had published the book Havana Nocturne, which was about the mob in Cuba in the 50s. And I really got into it then. I made numerous trips to Havana for extended periods. So this book was almost like a sequel to that. Yeah, it was a nice way to revisit that culture, pick up the thread of that story. Because this one is sort of an answer. You get to the end of Havana Nocturne and you ask yourself, so then what happened? What happened after the mafia got chased out of Cuba? What was their response? How did they take it? I want to show you this woman. So it's Cuban dancing. Watch this woman. Okay. What does it say? What's the name of this? Wawanko. Watch this woman. Watch it. See how she's holding up pussy? Oh yeah. Everything is, look, look at this. Yeah, she keeps holding her pussy. Watch homie. Homie's about 90. Watch him move. You were talking about jeans? About, what was it with your L? See, he went to grab her pussy. She put down her pussy. So the dance is a seduction, right? It's a seduction. Yeah. They're engaged in a mutual seduction. This is a crazy dance. Jamie, what's the name of this? Show it to me. Say that. Wawanko is the rhythm. Wawanko is the rhythm. Q-U-A-G-U-A-N-C-O. W-U-U-N. Munya Quito. Munya Quito's M-U-N-E-Q-U-I-T-O-S-D Matanzas. Matanzas is the province they're from. Wow. Watch how she grabs her pussy every time he comes close. Now that mute does. See, he tried to grab it. He just see him trying to grab it. He tried to grab it and she blocked it. Oh yeah, they don't fuck around. That's hilarious. So the drumming you're hearing and the use of what's called the shakeray, that gourd there, and the chanting that's going on, you would hear all that in a Santa Ria ceremony. Wow. This grabbing the pussy shit is hilarious. Hilarious. Hilarious. Yeah, he grabs his junk too occasionally. Occasionally, but he's probably just checking. How we doing down there? Come on. See, he's grabbing it. He's squeezing it to see if it's hard. See, he just played with it. He just threatened to grab and she grabbed it. That's hilarious. Hilarious. So it's very playful. It's flirtatious. Right. And this is the culture there. That's Cuba.