Joe Rogan on Why Jiu-jItsu Guys Should Know Judo

I got my bell rung pretty good, I think about a month ago. Actually on the mats. I was climbing on a guy's back. It was a good lesson for me too. I was- Did you slip over the top? No, I got both of my hands involved and he rolled and snapped my head into the mat and I didn't have a chance. Oh, face planted. But I, and I didn't, again, I don't know shit. So I'm learning and it's a mistake that I haven't made since then. But yeah, I had my hooks in and was kind of just getting too involved and that drastic movement and it was a full whack in the same thing in the headache for a few days afterwards. Dudes get wild when they try to get out of things and that's a particularly dangerous move when someone's on your back and you decide to slam them into the ground. It's kind of a dickhead move really. Well, it would have been okay if I had at least one post. But like I said, I wasn't thinking about that that wasn't even- Was he standing? Did he try to stand? No, he was turtled. Oh. I don't think I would crawl on somebody's back if they were standing. I think my game's not very advanced. So you guys, your background, you would probably, your jujitsu's probably different than mine. But even taking someone's back standing is tricky as fuck because they can just throw themselves backwards and on concrete- Oh, that's a game over. It's a death sentence. I mean- That's what I actually thought about that afterwards because you will see people who, you know, I'm here because I want to learn to protect myself in the street. And if I had done that on the street and had my head cracked on concrete and I'd either been waking up in the hospital or not at all. You got to kick their legs out in those situations. If you have someone's back and you're standing, you got to, you got to, I mean, the options that exist that don't exist in jujitsu, one of them is you kick their fucking legs out. If you have someone's back, you know, you actually kick their leg. You don't just jump on them with the hooks in on concrete. It's just too dangerous. Before you get to that position, you want to yank them and do something, trip them, do something to get rid of their base. But someone who's strong, that's so dangerous because someone who's strong can carry you on their back and then just throw themselves backwards. I mean, even hardwood floor, anything. Or even against a building or a car. Yeah, anything, anything. You want to get them to the ground. You want to get them to the ground or a standing guillotine. Like when you're in a front position, something, that's another one that's really fucking dangerous, man. Guillotine? Yeah, guys have gone for takedowns with guillotines. Like I said, a guy shoots in for a takedown and a guy grabs a guillotine and pulls back and then this guy's head is the first thing that hits the ground. Oh, because this is tough. They get paralyzed. Yes. Okay. A guy on Team Alpha Male, on Uriah Faber's team, wind up getting paralyzed for life that way. Yeah, in training. On the mats? Yep. Fuck. They're going to break down and the guy gets them in a guillotine and they all, all their weight together falls on this guy's head and his neck compresses and his neck breaks and he loses his ability to move for the rest of his life. That's a common one, in fact. Not common, but it's happened multiple times that I'm aware of. And you got to imagine on the street. Someone tries to take you down on the street and you elevate and go into a guillotine position and they fall down and slam their fucking head first. You're going to crack it open probably too. Yeah. It's just, there's so many, I mean, one thing that is a good criticism about jujitsu is the lack of takedowns. And that is a real factor in any sort of real world situation. The hope is if you're in a bar or something like that, there's a scramble. Most things wind up on the ground. That's true until you deal with a skilled opponent. And if you deal with a skilled opponent who has takedown defense and then you're stuck in the situation where, oh, now you're in a realm where you're a white belt and this guy's a black belt. Like if someone is a wrestler who can strike, it's a terrible position to be in. And we saw that with a lot of, in the early UFCs in particular, a lot of jujitsu black belts just didn't have takedowns. And then they would get involved with a wrestler who would easily stuff their takedown and the wrestler was a better striker. And those guys got fucked up. You got to imagine that'd be a quick belt. It's not good. I mean, the only thing a lot of guys did was they would follow their back and try to pull guard and try to entice a guy into coming to their back. And then they would kick off their back. Like those kicks in use those, those tactics when he fought for Naki. Like up kicks. Yeah. And he actually wound up fucking up for Naki's knee by kicking at his knee, hyper extending his knee from his back. Rugged. Yeah. That's a common, common technique. You know, a guy standing over you and you're on your back posting up and you hyper extend his knee. It's just a, like judo is the best in my opinion for someone who's wearing clothes. You know, I think every jujitsu guy would really greatly benefit from having a, a good comprehensive knowledge of judo. How deep would you go? Judo is a good thing to learn, man. Just period. First of all, those guys are so freaky, chimp strong. Some of the freakiest chimp strong guys I ever roll with were judo people because judo players, man, they're just all, everything is constantly this. They're constantly grabbing it. Everything is hits. The torque and rotation. The torque and so much explosive movement carrying a human body. It's right. So they're doing explosive movement like sandbag training with another 200 pound person all the time or, or larger, particularly like women, like Ronda Rousey. You know how goddamn strong that woman is? She freakishly strong. No, I bet. Because she, her whole body was designed to, you know, throw bodies around, throw a human body. I mean, it's like, you think of weightlifting, right? Like when are you ever weightlifting your whole body? Well, maybe if you're squatting or maybe if you're bench pressing, if you're exceptionally strong. Or deadlifting. Yeah. Or deadlifting. Those are like the compound movements, but like curling or tricep, none of those things, overhead press, very rarely are you using your whole body weight that way. I don't think it's advisable to do that with your whole body weight. And your whole body weight is way more difficult to control because it's moving and resisting. And it's, you know, try picking up a dead body, a person who's out cold. It's fucking hard. You got to scoot a person. You're like, if I had to pick up a dude who's 195 pounds and I had to pick him up and he's out cold, fuck, that's hard. You put 80 pounds of gear on him. Yes. I could only imagine. And guns dangling all over the place. So the judo player, imagine that, but imagine that person also resisting, you know, like they're some of the freakiest, strongest people in the world. I just sit down when I start with judo people. I'm like, ha ha, fuck you. Good move. Good move. I watch them over in the corner and I hear just the wha-dish. I'm like, okay, I'm going to sit down. It's a beautiful thing to learn though. It's a beautiful thing to learn if you can get someone that'll really work with you and who's technique oriented, not someone who just wants you to spoil the time. Because one of the things that happens with judo a lot when people are just getting involved with that, there's a lot of scrambling on the feet that could put your legs in a compromised position where your knee blows out. How much, isn't your time watching the UFC? How many of the takedowns do you see are judo based? It's not that often, but some guys are really good at it. And the guys that are really good at it, it comes up. You know, there's some guys. Back when Cairo Parisian was fighting, Cairo was a great judo player who was in the earlier days of the successful UFC, was one of the better judo guys. And he would hit hip tosses and all kinds of different judo throws all the time. And Rhonda, of course, you would do it all the time too. But Rhonda, that was basically the only way she would take you down was with upper body grabs. Her move was to grab the head and then take people down with that and use judo. But it does happen. But it only happens, you know, it happens with skilled players. But when it does happen, it's like it's a big surprise oftentimes like, whoa.