Joe Rogan on Why he changed his stance on the Moon landing conspiracy

Hello freak bitches. I got a question for you man. Okay, so I've been a fan of you for a long time, right? So what thank you appreciate it. I appreciate you appreciate it. What? What made you made the switch from like being a moon landing denier to like you're crazy if we didn't you know I don't think we're crazy. No, this is this is my take on it Absolutely. I don't know enough about Astrophysics about space travel about the science that's you know The the work that's been done about how to get a rock rocket to the moon and back. I definitely don't know enough It's rocket science and I've looked at a lot of very compelling Documentaries that explain why they think it was hoaxed and they'll show you some footage and you can look at some of the footage And it looks fake as fuck. There's some footage that to me looks really doctored There's a day Yeah, it's his day some guy when you ever seen ones where it looks like they're on wires of the astronauts are on wires I have there's some where there's a video where they look like they're on trampoline They're bouncing around on trampolines. Mm-hmm. The physics are different in different videos This is where it gets weird like the physics are different from the Apollo 11 moon landing We see him waddle around on the surface of the moon They're moving at like half speed and then you see them in other ones like the one where they bounce around the air You're like, they're moving different. They're in the same thing, but it looks different. The first one was very grainy They showed it on a projection screen It's there's there's a there's a couple different possibilities one possibility is it just looks weird Because it's on the moon and your brain is trying to interpret it and your brain's going well That's fake because you don't really understand with one six Earth gravity really does to a body. That's one possibility another possibility which has been shown to be true is that some of the stuff that they passed off as being legitimate photographs of Space travel was actually test runs where they blacked out the background and pretended that they were in space And there's one really clear example of this. It's Michael Collins Michael Collins who was a guy was a board Apollo 11 and Gemini 15. There's a photo of him in the middle of a What is it when they walk around outside the space walk is called space walk? Why does it seem like a bad word? It's like space walk like it doesn't seem like that's the official title Well, he's the middle of a spacewalk. It's probably something more. Yeah a little more syllables. Yeah something slicker anyway, so he's doing the spacewalk and he's got this harness on he's holding on to this like thing and it was apparently just an image that had already been published of him in a training exercise and They blacked out the background and flipped the picture upside down It's the same exact photo same exact photo. I mean people have lined it up and switched it over. It's the same photo It's just been edited. So the one on the left Was them practicing how to use these I don't get set the harness is some sort of a thing that he's hanging on to I guess it moves him around a little bit They were trying to practice it on the left and then the right they just passed it off But those are publicity photos, right? All right, so you got to go. Well, okay. Well who approves of publicity photos? it could easily be just some idiot who works in The publicity department who didn't marketing who didn't think they had enough photos from the moon that were good of spacewalks It's probably insanely difficult to take a spacewalk photo So does that mean that they fake the moon landing? No, but it means that people fake things So you got to throw it like gotta be really objective and looking at that. Okay, so people say fake things they definitely filmed a lot of the The training exercises that they did of the moon landing. They filmed a lot of shit. They definitely did If that is already proven that they took this fake photograph and they tried to pass it off as a real space Why it's entirely possible that some of the stuff that they filmed They made out to look like they were on the moon when they were not But does that mean they didn't go to the moon? No, it doesn't and so when I was saying it proves that they didn't go to the moon I my critique of myself is That I didn't look at it objectively because I wanted one conclusion to be true and I wanted that conclusion to be that the moon landing Was fake so I looked at it and I was and I was saying to myself Okay, did I come to this conclusion? Because there's a lot of evidence that shows it to be fake or have I seen a lot of evidence that looks fake and does that Mean that they didn't go to the moon. No, it doesn't there's there's a bunch of different possibilities There's a ton of different possibilities. There's also the possibility that whatever Photographs they took can get severely damaged in the radiation of space that it was really difficult to do That's possible too and that they they decided somehow or another that they were going to pass off these That they actually did go and they decided they're gonna pass off some of these fake videos so there's a bunch of possibilities the possibility that it looks fake because I'm dumb and because I don't understand anything about the physics of 1 6 earth's gravity and it just looks weird because it's shitty film. It's 1969 that's possibility number one Number two is they fake some things or number three is they they didn't really have good footage because like you couldn't take Film through the airport remember that like people would go through those ready radar detectors You're filming get jacked and they wouldn't weren't responsible people that my you know, I have friends that are photographers and My uncle's a photographer and he would tell me you can't send the film like if you have like you've take a roll of film I don't know. I don't know what the fuck they did But I know that some film has been damaged or maybe it's an urban myth. Maybe it would find out if film got damaged by those Radar things the airport x-rays X-rays there I could appreciate the mindset though of looking at your opinion objectively and saying am I tripping? Let's look at the facts and say I'm just not really sure I think that's the problem with people today And people period is that they're afraid to say I don't know. Yeah, you know, I mean they're super afraid It's like to me ignorance is such a gift Like it just gives you an opportunity to learn some shit if you're humble enough like don't assume you know I even the shit I feel like I know I still feel like I don't know Yeah, well that seems you have a very healthy ego for a big young fucking super athlete. It's fucking That's fucking football man. I know but I'm saying egos very healthy. You have a really good way of looking at things I think that's that's the right way to be man. You can't be Married to to like ideas and opinions like that because they're not you but we think that they are they're like an extension of us So we want to win these arguments. That's what we want. Yeah, we want to be right I think it gets real scary when you want to be right and then you're willing to ignore evidence that might show that you're wrong That's how I felt about myself And by the way, if you wanted a if you wanted a conspiracy, that's a good one That seems like it might be possible the moon landing is one of the best ones and this is why it's so attractive between 1969 in 1973 you still on the fence about this, huh? No, no, I'm not at all I'm out enough. I'm on the I don't know shit fence. That's where I live But between that on this side on which you though they said I think it was seven missions six of them were successful The only one that wasn't successful was Apollo 13, right? They sent these fucking people around the moon 250,000 plus miles out there and back But ever since then all they've been able to do is get people into near-earth orbit Ever since then like the highest anyone's ever gone. I think it's 400 miles So they went from 260,000 miles all the way to the moon and back to 400 miles Everything is like inside and they've never gone through the man van Allen radiation belts I've never gone into deep space in return. They haven't done that since 1960 1973 I thought and I could be wrong. I thought it was because of like funding could be like cuz you know Meanwhile, LACMA's got funds Show me show me how that makes sense. You don't want to fund space travel. You want to fund that fucking acrylic box or box By the way, that's perfect. I Hey, it is I don't I don't think that I know whether or not we went to the moon But I'm telling you that if you wanted a juicy conspiracy, I'm looking to get excited about I've looked into it It's the best one to get excited about I lost all the data I see cuz like I see like, you know, you go down to a YouTube wormhole Yeah, you know, yeah start watching Barry Sanders highlights and then I was looking at JFK being Michael Jackson or some shit But like I Just don't see what the motive would be like, what is the fucking mo like what Cold War? First of all, we wanted to beat the Russians because we were in a race Okay You can get to the to the moon and here's one of the things that we do know for a fact the Russians faked a bunch Of shit, they think no footage. Yeah, Yuri Gagarin who was the first man in space? They had a video might be an expert on this man there. Well, I studied this I debated a guy who was a really nice guy but Phil plate he's a bad astronomer bad astronomer calm. Okay, and Here's a lot of things He wasn't willing to admit though that were unfortunate because maybe he could have convinced me more if he was and one of the big Ones was that Werner von Braun was a Nazi? We they hired a bunch of Nazis to to run the space program It was called operation paperclip and what operation paperclip was where they took a bunch of Nazi scientists and relocated them to the United States we lost some of them to Russia Russia scooped up some of them But when we ended the World War two and Nazi Germany collapsed we went in and took the scientists Well, we're never von Braun was the head of a rocket factory in in In Berlin where these to hang the five slowest Jews in Front of the rocket factory for all the other workers to see More in a Von Braun the Simon Wiesenthal Center said if we're in a von Braun was alive today He'd be punished for crimes against humanity This is news. Yeah, no, we're in a von Braun was a straight-up Nazi and this guy was not willing to admit that All right, you know, it's like well, you know just because someone's in Germany. No, no, no, no, no No, he was a Nazi. He was a Nazi whether any actually killed anybody. Maybe he had to be a Nazi I mean We're not saying that look if you're fucked and you're in this neighborhood and that it overcomes the entire neighborhood You want to keep your family alive? So you put that thing on your your jacket sleeve you put that swastika on and you see God like everybody else Maybe you're not really a Nazi Ideologically, maybe you're not a Nazi in your heart. Maybe just trying to stay alive. That's entirely possible too But he was a Nazi He was a fucking Nazi and they had slaves that were running rocket factories in Berlin where they were figuring out how to make rockets That's a brand new I got I got I need to yeah Operation paperclip cold war president Truman authorized operation paperclip in August of 1945 the US Army secretly admitted 88 German scientists and engineers to help the development of rocket technology including Werner von Braun Arthur Rudolph and Herbutus struggled Herbertus herbertus Hubertus Hubertus. That's a great name. It's not a great name. Bring that back If you have a fucking stud kid is like one of the strongest men in the world his name is Hubertus That's my son Hubertus Who's named after a Nazi so there was like something in the debate that guy was not willing to admit which made me even more Skeptical that he was right about the other stuff. The other thing was that they like Moon rocks that they've collected from the moon have turned out to not really be moon rocks like a bunch of them For sure have been tested by scientists and they found that these rocks are from another planet But there was there was a rock that they gave to whoever is the head of Holland And it was personally given with a plaque by Neil Armstrong Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins and it turned out to be petrified wood Moon rock given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake It's a moon rock given to the Dutch Prime Minister by the Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 turned out to be a fake So they were giving people pieces of petrified wood saying this is for you. We went to the moon God bless America 3,000 euros Now there's a bunch of possibilities. Okay, let's just be honest about this because this story is from 2009. It's entirely possible that between 1969 that well, this is there's multiple sources. That's the telegraph For sure what I'm saying is that it's entirely possible that someone stole that moon rock and replaced it with that That's possible. All right, that's possible or it's possible. They just had some fake rocks Here's the thing Bill Clinton had a fucking he had a quote in his book in one of his books I think his book is called my life He had a quote about the moon landing and a story about him having this conversation with a carpenter And that this carpenter said that he didn't believe the moon landing He goes them television fellers they can make anything look real and he said this is a quote and Bill Clinton's fucking book He said back then I thought that guy was a quack But after or crank whatever crazy person, but after eight years in the White House I was wondering if he wasn't ahead of his time. Oh, wow. This is a guy That was the fucking president of the United States and he's talking specifically about about an old carpenter telling him the moon landing was fake and then he says I Wondered after eight years in the White House if that guy wasn't ahead of his time Causation correlation. Yeah. No look look could be bullshit. Yeah could be bullshit hundred percent It could be just a good story. I think that's the thing about conspiracy theories It's like they lead you on all these dead end chases. Oh, so to answer the long answer of your question That's that's where I stood on this whole moon landing thing. That's why I came around to thinking in a different way I was way too convinced that I was right. All right. I'm like I'm convinced I was right But it's fucking real low levels of understanding of any of the science of this stuff Yeah, I think that's the problem is as a society. We're so scientifically illiterate you know and that that that causes so much room for speculation and you're kind of You're kind of a prisoner of People who are masters of their crafts you're kind of a prisoner to their Quote-unquote agenda. I don't want to put that that bad of a term on it But you're kind of prisoner of that because we have we don't have any any any choice, but to take their Word for roar to pursue it yourself right to learn about what they're talking about yourself No, if they're right or not. Well, that's that's absolutely the case right because you know, that's the case in almost everything else