Joe Rogan on TJ Dillashaw's Apology

How about your boy TJ Dilla Shaw? It's not good. Both are boys. Yeah, it's not good. Did you see his apology? Yeah, I did. What'd you think? Well, I mean, at least he's just straight up admitting it. I think that's what you have to do. Yeah. Because then you're kind of like, yeah, I fucked up. Then people can't really come at you. Yeah, I mean, he's being honest about it. And, oh, I do have to correct something. Someone wrote an article that said that Cody Garbrandt found out that TJ tested positive for his fight too, and Cody went crazy. I think I got duped by a click-baity article. No, we all got duped. Everyone thought that. And actually- I think somebody got us with a click-baity article about it. But everyone did. But I should have been more responsible. So my apologies to TJ. So I don't think there's been another one that they tested him on that he's positive. But- They're looking into it now. Here's the thing. Well, we have to, this is something that I know. EPO is not always tested for. Correct. And- Did you see Dana? What'd he say? Because you saw it as expensive as fuck. He goes, hold on. You guys aren't, he didn't know. He goes, you guys aren't testing for EPO every time. We paid this much money for you numb knobs to show up guys at three in the morning and test them. You're not testing every time and we paid this much. He goes, I had no idea. Yeah. Well, time to cancel you saw it. Thanks boys. Thanks boys. Thanks for playing. See ya. Everything's been looking good. Jeff, take it from here. Come back. Be cool, bro. Yeah. Next thing you know, everybody's back looking thick and thick and juicy. Now, but I guess what they're gonna do is they're gonna go back and see if they still have the samples for when he did beat Cody and test those for EPO. Well, this is what you and I were talking about where we're at the store. When like, how far do we go back? Dude, I'm telling you, Joe, you don't want to go down that road, man. Testimal. You're crazy. Testimal. Let's find out what's real. Why? Why do you want to do that? Testimal. You're crazy, dude. You can't do it. You're gonna ruin the foundations of UFC. This is an intellectual exercise. I don't really want you to testimal. Yeah. But if I was gonna argue, I'd say testimal. I think. Line it up. We've always wondered. Half-wheat, not me. I've never wondered. You want to test four Scriven and Stefan Bonner, UFC? Testimal. That's the fight that catapulted the freaking UFC. But then again, test all the football players, test all the baseball. Testimal. Test everyone's feelings. Did you watch Screwball? Did you watch Screwball? No, I haven't. Holy shit is it good. The Billy Corbin documentary? Do you know what they did? Yeah. They had little kids play A-Rod. Play the actors, yeah. It's hilarious. I know the story. The story's nuts, because it's in the people who were actually there narrating it. They're telling the story. And they got these little kids playing A-Rod. And playing the film. It's brilliant. It's fucking great, man. It's a crazy story, though. It's a crazy story. I feel bad for TJ, man. You know what, man? When everybody makes an agreement to not cheat. Oh, come on. And they're testing you all the time to try to make sure that you're not cheating. Don't you think that the environment's different now than it was before you saw it was initiated? And don't you think that's a good thing? I'm putting words in your mouth. Notice how I phrased that question? Yeah, I know. I was like, come on, fuck you. Politician. I know, but it takes. No, you're right. It is better overall for the purity of the sport. I think it's better. But I still assume guys are gonna figure out a way to cheat. Because PEDs in sports is no different than a referee or a judge or gloves. They go hand in hand. People have always done PEDs or enhancements in every aspect, whether it's football, basketball, music, surfing, sex, it's just what humans do. Especially when the odds are so high that this little thing can help you achieve, maybe it gets you a victory, but you know. And then also with TJ Dillaschul's thing, granted we know EPO is illegal. But this one's a little different. If you tested pods for steroids or whatever, straight up steroids, because if you and I engage in a fight and we have eight weeks of training and you go to Mount Everest or where the fuck you want to get your red blood cells higher and then fight me back at sea level, but I just stay here and inject those red cells. The difference is that if you operate at sea level and you're taking EPO, you will be able to work much harder and get more rounds in and you will recover much better. If you are up at altitude, the problem is living in training really at high altitude, you can't put out as much output. But the night of the fight, we're gonna have the same. No. Why? EPO will have more. Way more? Yeah. Not even close. No, you can have a stroke from that stuff. I mean, it depends on how much you're taking, but that was one of the things Novitski was telling me about were young cyclists that were just having strokes. Well, your boy, I think it was Lance Armstrong, maybe he's on your show, but he would wake up in the middle of the night and have to ride a bike because his blood is so thick. That was my friend, Salami. Do I know Salami? No. No, I'll explain. Okay. But you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't chill for long. He was a bike racer. You'd have to wake up in the middle of the night and ride the bike. I think Lance did discuss how guys would do that. I think that's why I got it, yeah. We've talked about it. Maybe Lance did. Did Lance talk about having to get up in the middle of the night? Or did you and I talk about it? An exercise. Did I talk about getting up in the middle of the night riding a bike? No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But anyway, obviously, look, with the Lance Armstrong thing, I feel like everyone was doing it. And you don't think- Everyone. You don't think everyone was doing it. You think TJ is the only one? No, I think other people are taking EPO and they're hoping they don't get caught. That's what I think. I think it's still cheating. Correct. And I think, I don't think everybody's doing that. I think there's a lot of guys who are doing it honorably. I agree. They're doing it honorably. I think you could get it in your mind. Look, I don't... This just is what to take from Max Holloway. It is what it is, right? It is what it is. It is what it is. It's cheating, right? TJ would admit that, I'm sure. He did admit it, yeah. He did. That's what it is. But I mean, I don't even know if I have a point. I don't know if I do either. But it's... I was gonna say the guy's trying to provide for his family, but so is everybody else. So is Cody Garbrandt. So is Cody Garbrandt. So is Henry Sahudo. So is everybody. Everybody he fights. But I would like to sit down with TJ. And I've reached out to him since he's been suspended. I wanna sit down with him and just be like, why did you do it? Like what led you to this? Because his cardio's been great since he was a child with his wrestling background. At what point along the way was it six years ago, six fights ago, did you think you need to do this in order to beat these guys? Well, let's... We could look at one thing that we know that he's been doing. He has a rigorous strength and conditioning program. That training lab, strength and conditioning program that he's doing. I have an issue with that. I understand your issue, but that shit is off the charts crazy difficult. They're doing wild stuff and medicine ball work and plyometrics and all this stuff. And TJ looks like a fucking beast when he's doing it. Have you seen Brian Ortega's workout with Mike? Yeah. They do crazy shit too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not justifying it, but what I'm saying is that in order to do that kind of work, like to put out that kind of pace, your body's gonna have to have some time to recover in between workouts. Well, if you take EPO, that time of recovery is diminished quite a bit, according to Nowitzki. You're saying it allows guys to put in more work. So it doesn't just give you more cardio. It allows you to recover faster so you could train harder. And you know, as well as anybody, that sometimes the difference between victory and defeat is just having a little more in your gas tank. Just having a little longer camp, not being injured the last couple of weeks. We lost some cardio. You know those awful feelings. Well, if you had the opposite of those awful feelings, instead of being compromised, being enhanced, it's gonna help you mentally. Yeah, exactly. It's gonna help your head. You're gonna come in there like a fucking champion.