Joe Rogan on the "Space is Fake" Conspiracy

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Michael Shermer

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Dr. Michael Shermer is the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine, host of the podcast "The Michael Shermer Show," and a Presidential Fellow at Chapman University. He is the author of several books, the most recent of which is "Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational." https://michaelshermer.com/

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You could fuck off. I'm not getting in that thing. It would take a few years before I'm willing to climb into that sucker, but So the other problem with conspiracies just get back there for a moment is the problem of anomalies. What do you do with anomalies? This is true in all science. No theory explains every single thing that's out there that we want to study There's always going to be some like quirky thing that the main theory here that explains all these things here It doesn't account for that. Okay. What do we do with that? Well, my joke is you assign it to a grad student. They let them figure it out But what what outsiders mistake is that well my theory explains this little anomaly? So therefore it should replace this theory and so people like Neil and Sean Carroll Lawrence Krauss Michio Kaku has like two web pages one He has a link on his web page if you have a an alternative theory of physics go to this page So they go there and it is your theory has to explain all of these things over here that our theory currently explains And your whatever your said anomaly is and of course they can't so It's not that scientists are dogmatically closed-minded to the anomalies It's that we can't explain everything and you don't have to do anything with that. Just just leave it there Maybe eventually they'll pile up and there'll be a new theory like with Einstein's relativity Okay, there's enough anomalies here Like the orbit of Mercury and a few other things and so we have to modify Newtonian physics a little bit Okay, that happens But for the most part like and so conspiracies are filled with these things like the moment something big happens you go back And okay, but there's this weird thing here. How do you explain that? I don't know. We don't have to explain everything Do you know that there's a growing movement that think that the the space is fake Space is fake. No, this is different than the flat earth Google hashtag space is fake Hashtag space is fake. It's people that are so fucking stupid the flat earthers kicked him out Oh my god, for real flat earthers kicked out the spaces fake people spaces fake is They're the the most skeptical. So what would be the upper atmosphere would be the edge of the universe. It's all fake It's the end and it's tied in some weird way to religion Which is really interesting because even the flat earth people there's a tremendous amount of them that are extremely religious and they talk about the firmament the Bible and the Bible and that this is This is what's really going on is that they're trying to keep us from the knowledge that God has created This place is a very special place. Right and so by Pretending that it's round they somehow or another are Controlling us we're thinking that we're not exceptional and we're not lucky space is fake They're using a video from Ryan Gosling's movie. He just made about in the Armstrong the first man on the moon Yeah, just be like this is look look here's proof. Oh, I think everything they're making a movie because the way they made the movie is That's evidence that it's fake because he's wearing it. I don't know if maybe this person doesn't recognize that as being Ryan Gosling right there Mmm, he's got an assa suit on maybe it's just a troll account This is how NASA fakes everything. This is the video I was talking about guys now, you know, it's all a big act Click on spaces fake though Yeah, but I mean click on it because there's a bunch of I'm on that thread There's a tremendous amount of people that literally believe that space is not real Google the video of how buzz Aldrin and how he deals with the no moonies that we never went to the moon There's a video buzz Aldrin punching a guy. Yeah, you see that guy I had dinner with that guy you did the guy he punched Yeah, I was a firm believer that we never went to the moon. Yeah, you know, this is what happened I watched that Fox documentary. Yeah, the moon conspiracy theory did we go and I was like holy shit because it was on television those and this was 96 97 I remember I went to work and I told everybody you got to see this documentary. It's crazy We never went to the moon and I watched that one and I watched this guy's What is his name Bart's arts a bro, so I had dinner with him He absolutely believes that we never went to the moon a hundred percent believes it. I don't know if he still believes it I think he's like a cab driver or something now Yeah He was involved in the news or local television or something like that back where he's from Then he released a documentary called the fun a funny thing happened on the way to the moon and in his documentary One of the things he did have is some really interesting footage of the lunar module Where it looks like they're faking a shot of them being really far out but then when they remove this cover the covers from all the windows that were inside the the The lunar not the lunar module. What is the one that the orbiter? It really looks like they're in low earth orbit And this is like the the main thing pointing to that like they couldn't get out of low earth or a bit hmm then there was also the fact that they lost all of the Telemetry data which was the binary you know the ones and zeros that show the position of the lunar module at every stage There was a bunch of different things the fact that no one wanted especially Neil Armstrong he became a recluse never wanted to talk about it you go and watch the Press conference the press conference. They look very shady look like they're completely Aldrin's not like that. He was a drunk for a long time though He was he was very depressed and had it when it became an alcoholic after the moon landing and the idea is that The in conspiracy circles from talking as them the idea is that he got over it after a while needed to make a living Now he talks about it constantly, but Neil Armstrong never did the thing that's compelling is that there was there were some There's some faking going on if you look at Gemini was it Gemini 15 Michael Collins. There's an image of Michael Collins when they were testing some of the space Walking stuff and some of the some of the the things that they would do to to walk outside of a spaceship They had them all strapped up with cables, and they're just experimenting with these things They took that photograph and then blacked out the background probably some overzealous PR agent hmm And they were like in the pool is it right here? So what it is is like so the the first one is clearly He's you know in a studio And they're working on things and just trying to understand how all this stuff works and the second one they took the exact same photo And just reversed it and blacked out the background and they but this just yeah that doesn't mean that they didn't go to the moon that just means that someone got a hold of some photographs and faked it and It's way more likely that there was more of that going on then that people didn't actually go to the moon right