Joe Rogan on the Patreon Controversy

Are you familiar with what's going on with Patreon with the no was that there's like and that's like the bunch of podcasts pay for Him thing or you can pay for shit with patreon or well. Yeah, you can pay for things But it's not necessarily just for podcast but people do use it for podcast. I use it for many things Okay, but there's this guy his name is Carl Benjamin and he goes by the name of Sargon of our cod And he considers himself a what you call classic British liberal Which is more leans more conservative than our idea of what a liberal is But essentially it's more of a like a libertarian toward what how would you how would you describe a classic British liberal? Like what would be the the definite like Google that the first of their name would be Carl Benjamin I mean, that's a strong name well Sargon of a cod is his his screen name and he has a YouTube channel and He said something on A podcast not even his own. He was a guest on another channel and He said something about white supremacists He was talking about these white supremacists that are acting up and doing all these Horrible things and he said and this is it's a poorly formed thought but what he said essentially said was You guys are being niggers. Oh my god act like white niggers. This is his word. She sees so this is what he's saying You're acting like a bunch of niggers just so, you know, you act like white niggers I'm sorry if you heard that word and it's offending you right now. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm just reading Said exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the alt, right? I'm really I'm just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect. So That's a very very it's a very poorly thought-out way of expressing himself That's what I'm thinking I'm reading this and I think also Sometimes people like using that word to shock. Yeah, and they think they can get away with it And you know when you're using it, what's this? What's this in context? What's the context of this? Well, here's it but it you also sit here look you carry on but you don't expect me to have a debate with one of your Faggots like why would I bother? Okay. Now that is more egregious, right? Because that is I mean And if you're you're you know, we're just dealing with censoring words There's not he's not using that saying you're acting like the way you call gay people, right? You know, he's not saying that he's like calling someone a gay slur Yeah, he's saying it again and again. So this was just what they had decided to use now I don't agree with any of these things. He said this what I'm reading this I'm like, this is These are poorly thought-out Arguments this is a poorly thought-out sentence. It's not well except just stop scrolling there for a second put that back up It's not it's not well thought out not at all. Not good so they've but this has Nothing to do with his patreon page doesn't even have to do with his His channel, this is something he made this comment as a part of a longer wide-ranging interview with a youtuber named Michelle Caitlin And you Caitlin and you can watch the full interview on this It says chatting with Sargon of Akkad about the liberalist community so he you know, it was free-flowing and he He said a bunch of really stupid things that But what he was trying to say is that these people are behaving exactly the way they When they Try to say racist things about black people. Yeah, essentially they're behaving exactly the way they're describing Yeah race in a racist way. Yeah, it's just not well thought out I mean, but this guy needs a class and how to fucking be articulate I mean Jesus Christ, but that's that's what I'm getting from this. So patreon decided to remove him because of that and There's many people that feel like that's not exactly why they did it that they were looking for an excuse and it's really because of his anti liberal bias, so They a lot of people are disgusted by the idea that patreon is now censoring voices and the deciding who should or should not be Able to receive donations from their fans Based on their own personal political biases. So this is the argument now and It's it's an interesting thing that's popped up because people like Sam Harris who is very left I mean he gets accused of being alright, which is kind of hilarious, but he's very progressive and you know he's a public intellectual and he's decided that this is a moment where he is going to pull his Patreon account down because he doesn't like the way they are choosing to censor people and Deplatform people based entirely on something that has nothing to do with anything He's done on their platform and it's something to do with something that was out there on another channel so it's one of those weird little battleground situations, but do you think like That patreon is a private enterprise. Yes, so they can do whatever fuck they want essentially They can and did uh-huh So then people can decide that they don't want to deal with patreon because patreon doesn't support free speech So because free speech the argument would go that free speech is not Just supporting speech that you agree with true free speech is letting people express themselves Right now the way he expressed himself there not very good Hmm Clumsy right right heavier. That's an understatement. Yeah, like your thoughts on it is your you've never seen this before No, what are your thoughts on it? I'm like dude use I mean, it's such a that choice of words is such a way to just If I'm if I'm person reading that I'm like my immediate my eye goes you said what you can't like It's such an offensive word where you can't even go there It immediately distracts from the point that you're trying to make so it's a good way of putting it You know, it's it's such like a you just need you need like I don't think that guy I don't know if he's racist or not But like I don't think he is but your immediate reaction is like this guy you can't do that It's right you have you have fundamentally Destroyed whatever point you were trying to make because of your choice. It's like you could be trying to save I Can't think of the analogy now, but like it's it's such a distracting choice of words. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it Yeah, it's like he could have said and by the way like all conversations including this one, right? Like I'm trying to formulate these opinions on the fly. So are you? Yeah, that was what he was doing on the fly I don't think this is anything he prepared. So I think You mean that wasn't vetted Gone over that with a fucking highlighter These are the key points you want to hit on there's have been a few websites I don't know I was trying to look up the ones exactly but I know the for instance on Twitch in the last year They've changed things on the terms of service that kind of what you do broadly Yes affects what you do on anyone's account the problem with that What you're just saying right now is the guy who's a CEO of patreon actually went on Dave Ruben's Show the Ruben report and said that they're only concerned with things that happen on patreon and that that's what they focus on Then they changed that after this because Here's the problem like I see their point with this this particular thing that this guy said I see how they find that offensive and if that becomes a thing that he does more than once and becomes a thing that he uses that all the time and uses that kind of That kind of language in that context a lot. It's like hmm. This is not It's clunky. It's not it's not a wise choice of words It's it's sloppy and it's kind of lazy Right and also it's kind of racist. Yeah, but it's why is it racist? Well, it's racist because what he's doing is attacking people who are Racists by saying and he could have done it this way, right? He could have said You people rally on about black people and call them this and you say they're doing that This is what you do. You are Exactly what you're the only thing that's missing is that you don't have the right pigment To receive your own hate your own self-hate right you're doing the very things that you accuse that you in a racist way accuse black people of doing It's stupid though, but it's to do the way to combat that I don't When you start censoring people and taking away their ability to make a living by expressing themselves I just don't think that's the way to go because you're just gonna receive backlash and that's that's the thing It's one of those that's that's one of those instances where it's like you've said a trigger word that is Clearly a trigger word and what you just said is the way he should have said what he wanted to say Right in hindsight if you gave him an opportunity like you say hey Carl Here's a time machine or I go back right before you said that and say it again What I was on patreon though, like I'm reading their stance on it. Mm-hmm as a website They don't host anything like to say that it's something that's happening No, but they do host blogs like sure you're in Peterson wrote a blog on patreon But that's what most of their content is is links from other websites Like they have to take into account what you're creating as a creator Anywhere almost right this isn't even him as a creator though. This was him a guest on someone else's show So this is not something that's his own content that he put out There's there's stances that he collaborates with other creators and this would be considered a collaboration. Yeah I see that point. I do not think that it's a wise thing to censor him though. Do you? Ah Get that motherfucker a PR coach dog Yeah, right the very least maybe that this is the first dance which I think they're saying it is Definitely a warning or maybe a but here's the thing man. Here's a fan temporary band what he but here's the thing What he does is he's? He's He's a commentator. He sees life and he talks about it and I've listened to a lot of his stuff and it's very good He's a smart man. A lot of it is very good. This is not very good so The right way when it comes to these things is let the people who contribute To his patreon decide that they don't like what he's doing. So they're no longer gonna subscribe That's the correct use of the platform The platform exists because people who are fans are at able to contribute that I say the mesh I really like what you do I'm gonna send you a hundred dollars every month and if someone wants to do that They can do that and there's a lot of people that do do that when you say something that makes them Offended that makes them realize you're sloppy with your words that makes him feel like you're a fool They go, you know what? I'm not sending that fucking guy money Yeah, the marketplace talking that sense and then they pull back if you lost 30% of his market Because of that and then a bunch of blogs are written about how stupid what he said was. That's the correct response, correct? I think I don't think but the problem with pulling out is Then guys like Sam Harris are pulling out and they've lost somewhere around 20% of all their patreon accounts because of this Oh, she has just been a backlash and by the way a backlash That's primarily coming for people who don't agree with what that guy said But do agree that it's a very slippery slope to start censoring people. That's a good moral stance to take Yeah, like it's like kind of like I Forget which Political figure said is like I do not agree with what you're saying But I will die defend fight to the ability to say ability to say yes I think that's it's important because the only way that ideas get worked out is Through discussion and as soon as you silence voices, then you no longer have that discussion now to YouTube's credit He's still up on YouTube. Okay, because this was a talk that he had that's available on YouTube You can listen to it on YouTube. He still has his YouTube account and he's still able to