Joe Rogan on the Ben Askren/Demetrious Johnson Trade

Now they're talking about you possibly fighting TJ Dilshaw for the bantamweight title Yeah, yeah, there's talk. There's talk, you know, you just hesitate There's a beach behind that it's not just talk he wants it we want it. Yeah. No, I'm sure Where's that out right now because there's gonna be a card in January out here and it's just announced. Oh When did what date was that it's the same night as the fade or Ryan Bader fight which pisses me off So I wanted to go see that fight. Yeah, January 26 Yeah, that fight's gonna be at the forum and the UFC fight. I think is at the Staples Center Or maybe Anaheim Anaheim Anaheim Anaheim in the pond. Oh, okay both here both here in California Well, there's 20 million motherfuckers in California plenty of people go around Yeah audience. Yeah, we've I think there's been talks but it's been you know, you know I don't think Ali my manager has really truly like actually sat down and talk with the UFC And I think I think everybody wants to do it though. Well, it's one of two things is gonna happen there, right? It's either I mean now the DJ has gone to one Demetrius Johnson just left the UFC and went over to one FC in a one FC for people who have no idea what we're talking about Is a gigantic organization in Asia. They are literally the equivalent to the UFC in Asia And although many people in America are not aware of them. They don't know who they are. They're a huge organization overseas Absolutely gigantic and they do a fantastic job. They have real high-level fighters Ben Askren was their champion He was undefeated over there and he had I think at least one fight maybe two fights left in his contract I forget how many and they made a deal and the deal was they take mighty mouse and We get Ben Askren and so that's where it's at right now. I love the deal. I love it I love the idea of it. I mean, I feel like mighty mouse you know, he he loves the idea of starting new and a new organization and you know, they're gonna Hey that motherfucker Hey Nice. Yeah, all these flyways need to get paid exactly and he also likes the mentality that that organization is operated with which is Respect for the martial arts. They're not into this, you know What we saw with the Conor McGregor could be number command off fight all the trash talking and all the all the stuff that you're seeing That was becoming more and more prevalent in the UFC You you don't see that at all at 1 FC and that's something that mighty mouse very happy Yeah, I think first I think congratulations to the Ben Askren. I think he's uh Everybody's in trouble. Yeah You're like why can't I get up yeah, but Nash was one of those guys that he's very He's a very confident. He's a very dangerous human being because he knows that he's gonna be very confident about yeah, and I'm I've always told people says hey do the maybe the best in the world is on the UFC, man There's there's some dude, but I know of Ben Askren. We've been saying his prayers for years That would take people think could beaves or controls good up top You wait till you get a you know four time and see a finalist two-time and see a champ on top you That the 2008 Olympian his teammate. Yeah and and Olympia. I mean the dude is the dude He's a bad matchup for anybody Joe anybody no Ben Askren I mean there's a reason why he's undefeated and he hasn't been hit in several fights He was detailing one of the last time he got hit You know I had him on the podcast because I wanted to let people know about him I mean I've been a big fan of bet fan of Ben Askren's from back when he was a Bellator champion And if you watch his fights in Bellator against Korskov and yeah and Lima Lima's a beast man And he just dominated them just control the Lima fucks people up man Lima's a dangerous dangerous cat and Ben Askren just whoop oh you're on your back again look at that Yeah, you can't get up, and you take him punches you know and he's uh it's a just a different caliber of wrestling and I've said it many many times, and I'm sure you believe it as well It's the most important skill for MMA is wrestling It's it dictates where the fight takes place if you want to stand up you good the guy can't take you down Chuckle Dale style and if you want to go to the ground you're the one who gets to dictate where the fight takes place That's if you're the superior wrestler. I mean it's the the best base for MMA I really believe that and especially a guy like Ben because I think Ben knows that his his striking is not that good right So he just relies on this is this is what I know I do it better than anybody And I'm gonna control you this is and you're gonna know how I'm gonna do it You know so that's what that's what makes Ben Askren dangerous. He's so dangerous I mean a real bad fight for him would be someone that can figure out how to keep it standing like Jay Huron gave him a real tough fight in Bellator because Jay Huron is good wrestler and kept the fight standing I'm I forget what his take on that fight was we talked about it on the podcast But I don't think he was too happy with his training for that fight But you know someone like Tyron Woodley who's also a very good wrestler? Who's a very dangerous striker would be a tough matchup for him, but they're really front close friends and training partners Yeah, well, this is another thing too on the flip side is like tyron's been wrestling him since for years I think so he knows what the Ben Ashkin experience is you know yeah scary. Yeah, I mean people would be lucky to You know kind of take him down if you really want to give it no takedowns He wouldn't he just wouldn't let people take him down. Yeah Pettis was talking about it You know he's saying listen who's back when Pettis was the champ He said if I was forced to fight Ben Ashkin he goes it would be a fucking terrible fight for me Like that guy just take me down and beat the shit out of me Ben was to win a belt the 2008 Olympic team would have five belts Henry gets to DC has to and Ben Askren would have won That's five UFC belts if if he came into the UFC and won a belt his teammates well They are gonna open up eventually that 165 pound division, which is what Ben is shooting for Ben would like that division You know and if he said that if you know he had 165 and Tyron kept the Walter weight title That would be great for him I just don't see the UFC doing a five pound weight difference when all the other weight differences are so huge I feel like the smart move would be ten pounds every every spot 35 45 55 65 75 like move 70 to 75 Like when the UFC had a light heavyweight division initially that the division was a 200 pound division When T to RT's first wanted I believe it was 200 pound division and then they raised it up to 205 and I think just and they needed a 195 to I really believe and probably a 225 You know I think that would that would round it all out which probably will all happen eventually Yeah, yeah, that's interesting to see how that how that unfolds But as of now it's man Ashran She's actually gonna be fighting for the belt pretty soon. Well. He's calling out Darren Till he wants to fight there That is a classic striker versus grappler matchup Especially after Tyron just smashed him I mean Tyrone in the hype train for Darren Till we learned a lot about Darren Darren is a sensational striker Very very dangerous striker, but keeps his hands low keeps his chin up high And you know Tyrone has proved himself to be really dangerous even against elite strikers You know you look at the Wonder Boy fights. I've said this time and time again You look at those two fights Wonder Boy is known as being one of the best strikers to ever compete in the UFC He's got a crate. I think it was 57 and oh is a kickbox or something fucking spectacular like that Amazing striking skills, but yet Tyrone hurt him in both fights both fights Tyrone was the one who landed big shots and had Wonder Boy badly hurt and Then you look at the the same thing with Darren Till Darren Till is known as being this unbelievable striker Tyron clips him Drops him and then strangles him so you know it all changes with MMA these guys can be these guys can be The best even the best wrestlers like sometimes it isn't translate to the sport like it takes a special Somebody to adapt to the sport of MMA not just a wrestler Yeah, and I think Tyron has has adapted to his time to his right hand You know man if you're able to take out two strikers like that now you're the real deal He's a question leave the real deal. I'm fascinating to see whether or not Nirmukha Medoff and Ben Askren go at it A fight that I really what are you saying? This is what we were talking about it's not gonna happen he has the same agent listen that ain't gonna happen But this could be was much more of a grappler than he is or than he is a striker I mean Connor is a striker that sort of made sense if you want to talk about levels. I think Ben's I think Ben's the power be the better the better Grappler who the fuck knows that's what I want to see no There's there's levels like even though like they don't give black belts and wrestling. There's there's there's levels to yeah There's love and I think Ben Ashton was one of the greatest Folks thought writers of all time like that's how dangerous he is He was putting the best the best kids in the world and pretzels and submissions. They just wouldn't get out of his yeah He's like a bowl constrictor. Well. He's he's stunning in his ability to control guys like you like what the fuck man like Korskoff I mean and Lima are two great examples because you look at those guys in Bellator and they just smash people But Korskoff has one of the craziest spinning back kick knockouts. I've ever seen in my life He sent this dude flying through the air. Do you see that like a couple of fights ago in the Grand Prix? Yeah fucking Nasty he hits this dude with a spinning back kick and literally like launches him into space and then Smashes him when he goes down to the ground I mean you look at what Liam has been able to do to people when the Roy McDonald fight was a very close fight Look at this watch this look at this boom He lost that dude Is that him Boise? I don't know where that was but so Korskoff You know if you watch the Korskoff fight with with Ben Askren, and it's a mauling It's it's it's just a guy just getting fucked up. That's what that fight is God Ben Askren just dominated him like absolutely dominated him see the dude tried to jump back and landed It landed right as he was in the air Ouchie Wawa Yeah, and no and then oh yeah, and this guy never got a punch off of Ben It was it was a total domination same as the Lima fight Lima crushes people man Lima's one of the scariest strikers. I mean he knocked out Korskoff I mean Lima smashes people but we see Lima against Ben Askren I mean obviously was a younger Lima. I mean he's got more experience now, but the difference was so stunning. What do you what is this? No, it's not no no is it to Chinese guys This is not ask or in Lima. You got to trust me This is not ask and leave me either I'm sure the video said Joe being a bully you gotta trust me Those dudes are not the same guy Joe you lose your patience man there it is there it is man, I Mean just the way he manhandled him like His wrestling is just you see guys that are used to defending takedowns Then they find themselves on their back and you say holy shit, man I think he did get upkicked here and his nose got broke. Oh, yeah, he got cracked. I Mean he Lima's a fucking monster man He's a super dangerous striker and he's huge for the weight class you stand next to Lima you like Jesus How do you make 170? He's true. He doesn't end up in jacuzzi at the hotel. I've seen him Yeah, no, he's he's struggling to make that weight. He's a big guy But anyway point being Ben Askren at 170 super super interesting fight