Joe Rogan on PED Expert Discussing the Jon Jones Situation

Hello freak bitches. Has there been any news updates on the John Jones situation? No, I haven't heard nothing. That's so disappointing. So, makes me sad. Red band insights on this one? Yeah, that's right. You called it dick pills. I would just like to say it for the record. Brian Red band completely called it dick pill thing. If I paraphrase, you were like, let me see, he parties, he does coke. He probably took some dick pills. I was like, what? Jesus Christ, it made so much sense. It was like, it was there right along the whole time. I just remember the FDA.gov had like, you know, breakdowns of certain like, rhino dick pills at gas stations and a lot of them had steroid type things in them. Yeah. And it's fucked up. He's so crazy. He was taking that stuff. He's probably still taking them. Well, now I bet he would. I mean, now, now he's like, fuck it. I'll just take everything. You could get addicted to him. I was addicted to him for a while. I don't know why. I don't think he's addicted to it. The new thing that he tested positive for has nothing to do with that. They said the new thing that he tested positive for is a steroid that they only test for in urine. And according to Chael Sunnen, it's like a very, it's not a very common steroid. And it's actually kind of old school. It's like something they used to do a long time ago. So it's his thought was that if somebody is getting him to do that, that if that's not a tainted supplement, if someone's getting him to do that, that person knows their shit. Like that's some sneaky steroids. Wow. Yeah. And he said it's usually combined with other things. That's so unfortunate, man. I don't know if it's true. Right. He could have got sabotaged. What's he saying? Is he saying? No one's saying anything. There's no official statement, I don't think. Like, because I think they're trying to test other samples. They tested a blood sample and then they released the results of the blood sample. They always do a blood and a urine. The blood sample was negative, but the blood sample didn't test for that stuff. So I don't, you know, you could speculate all day long. I'm sure as the facts come in, we'll get a better understanding of it. But it would be the most disappointing thing ever if someone spiked his shit. It'd almost be less disappointing if he took something and got caught than it would be if somebody tainted him. That's why I'm saying he knows his past. It just seems ridiculous to think that he would even try, even if it's old school or stuff they barely tested. It seems like why would he even risk that? Because he already went through that. You're totally right. But being a cage fighter is a ridiculous way to make a living. And people who are cage fighters, especially like elite level, like a guy like John Jones, he's, that guy has like probably a belief in himself that you and I will never understand. And completely impulsive in like what he decides. So he's why? He's a wild motherfucker. That's why he's so good. Because he's smart and he's wild. Like he's like legitimately wild. He's wild chances. Like I always talk about like when he fought Shogun for the title, when he fought Shogun for the title, he opened up the fight with a flying knee. That was the first thing he did, fighting a legend, fighting a UFC light heavyweight champion. I mean, he was crazy talented and still is, right? He's only 30. But he's a wild man. And wild men sometimes do shit that they don't even know why they're doing it. They're just doing it. You know, and if you're a guy that's that powerful as a guy like John Jones, like try controlling him. Good luck. Good luck telling him you can't go out. Good luck telling him what he's got to do. You know, it's one of the things about him in the past is that he hasn't trained hard for fights. And they were way harder fights than they should have been probably because he really wasn't in shape. And everyone around him kind of knew it. But it was he was that good that he could fight world class title challengers and beat them in five round fights without really training. Like that's how goddamn good that guy is. So you and I, we don't know how his brain even works. So who knows what the fuck happened? I hope he didn't do something. But then again, that means that one of two things happened. Either he took a tainted supplement, which is after a while almost comes becomes a joke. Like people keep saying that. Hey, stop taking supplements or even worse if someone spiked him. Yeah, the spiking thing because it seemed like that would be crazy. That would be crazy. You could do that to somebody, though, for sure. I mean, if somebody is around someone with nefarious intentions or someone's around someone who's resentful and you're in some sort of pro fight camp and someone just decides, fuck this guy and just dump some stuff on your chicken. Steroid cream in your hand cream. I think there's things they could do to get it into your system. You probably wouldn't even know what the test that came up negative, I guess, is the one that happened right. It was after the way. And yes, it's a urine test. He wasn't tested at any time before that. I'm sure he was there. They were tested multiple times in camp. So wouldn't it have probably come out? Not necessarily. Because it's really like, well, if you know, I don't know, like what kind of time period they tested them in. And I don't know what kind of half life this stuff has. Because apparently, Chael Sunnen was telling Brendan Chob that it gets out of your system quite quick. And that's one of the things that guys like about it, apparently, that you could do it and it gets out of your system really quick. You would have to find out like how much time do they usually have in between visits by USADA? And what are the odds they're going to get busted? Like how much how many times during camp are they willing to roll the dice? Say if they have a 24 or 48 hour acting steroid, how many times can you roll the dice? You saw the visited you three times. You're going to roll the dice this week. Roll it. Come on. I want to have a hard workout Thursday. Fuck it. Let's roll the dice. You roll the dice. 27 hours. No, you saw the 28. You wake up at the normal night sweating 30 hours. No, you know, if they come, you know, if they come, your fucking career is over. And they take away millions of dollars. 40 hours. You're peeing. Oh, no, you saw the next day. You saw it. Oh, you start thinking. 52 hours. How many hours is that? How many hours is that? How many has it been 48 for 9.50? 51. 53 hours. 53 hours. It's got to be gone, right? It's got to all be gone. And you give them that piss just wondering whether it's in there. And I'm sure there's stuff that you can take that supposedly washes it out faster, like any kind of drug test, you know, like weed tests. I remember I think it was like cranberry juice or something. You just constantly drank. There's certain diuretics for sure. Certain diuretics can mask steroids. It's one of the reasons why they're illegal. I'm looking at this article that came out about an hour ago. It looks like on Bloody Elbow. That's not like any update of news or anything, really. It's a P.D. expert who's known in the track field world as known for supplying performance enhancing drugs to them. His name is Angel Hernandez, also known as Memo. Not that that matters a whole lot, but if anybody knows him. What Angel Haredia? Haredia Hernandez. But Angel Haredia, is that the same guy that used to train Manny Pacquiao? Or no. Who the fuck did there was a guy that was like a really popular God damn it. I know I got his name wrong. But I strengthen conditioning coach. He's saying that the test that they do tests for six different particular metabolites. Right. One of those can last up to seven weeks. And then I skipped down here. He says that one of those metabolites can look like the same structure as the tarantibol. It doesn't mean that it's not tarantibol or whatever, but it could be from a bad supplement that he took during the training period that lasted in a system and ended up looking like it. Ooh, interesting. Listen to this quote. Listen to this quote. If he would have been using way before then, he eventually would have been positive on the 21-day testing before the fight. But he was negative. Then he came out positive. Frankly, the testing itself. It lacks credibility for a lot of reasons. We could go on and on. And I could be very specific in terms of chemistry, but I don't want to mislead the people that listen. It's just the fact that they're detecting six different metabolites, and one of them stays there longer than seven weeks. But the most intriguing part is that some of those metabolites are not really confirmed, that they are actually coming from that tarantibol structure. All right, but USADA, who's doing this, they know what the fuck they're doing, and they're not going to come out with a result unless they're super sure that that's what they're tested positive for. I don't know if this guy is right. Yeah. He's just sort of speculating, I would imagine. I don't know if he wasn't there either. I talked to Jeff Nowitzki off stage, I mean off mic, on mic. I talked to him around the arena. He's about as honest as it comes when it comes to handling these situations with these athletes. They're catching people, and the people they're catching were using. The way they're doing it is very thorough. The way they're handling it is very thorough. And there hasn't been anybody with a credible story that came forth that didn't have something in their system that they weren't supposed to have in their system. We haven't had a case of that yet, as far as I know. I think almost all cases have been either tainted supplements or someone getting caught, whether it's taking a diuretic or someone getting caught taking a steroid. There's a lot going on like that, and he's got, you know, they have a team of people that are just constantly checking people that might be cheating. I guess you have to also say it's where there's smoke, there's fire. How many fighters never have a steroid in them? There's a few, you know, like BJ Penn, I'm sure. There's, you know, I used to think it would be John Fitch, but then John Fitch tested positive. But he was getting older, and he was fighting, and the World Series of Fighting wasn't in the UFC anymore. And, you know, he might have been dealing with some serious injuries, need to pay his bills for fighting. Like, I don't begrudge anybody, especially when they're not even in the UFC. And the testing that they do in a lot of these organizations is like, there's a lot of organizations that have guys that are pretty much openly using. And what they do is they have these guys fight on like Indian reservations or fighting weird states that have an athletic commission that doesn't really adhere to the rules. Or doesn't have to, and doesn't, doesn't restrict. But what, especially the Indian reservation thing, Native American reservations, they do whatever the fuck they want, man. They're a country inside our country. But USADA, they look up your ass, man. They look up your ass. They come get you. They come get you, and they wake you up. Hey, man. Hey, how you doing? Hey, I'm gonna look at your dick, and I'm gonna watch piss come out of your dick. And it's gonna go in this cup, and then you can go back to sleep. It's no joke. And to see a guy like John with just spectacular, just spectacular comeback fight, you know, I mean, like a Phoenix, he rises from the ashes. He gave this really classy post fight speech. He won by just overwhelming devastation. I mean, it was a beautiful combination with the left high kick, then a series of shots. Daniel goes down, he just beats some unconscious in a spectacular performance. And then to find out that it's tainted by some fucking gross steroid that we're sneaking in. It's either that or again, the other one, which is almost equally gross that somebody gave it to him. Like somebody gave him some, hey, man, hey, champ, have some have this Gatorade champ. You know, hey, champ, I got your Gatorade champ crack. And they're very accessible, these fighters, you know, they're, you know, they're just going to the gyms like you go to a lot of times. And if you're not fighting John, he's a great guy. Yeah, he's great guy. Great guy. People love him. I think that we don't know, you know, it just makes me sad. It makes me sad. But one day, you know, one day they'll have it eradicated. But by then, I think there's going to be some new methods. I think they're going to have genetic methods. That's the next one.