Joe Rogan on Deontay Wilder's Statements Over Tyson Fury Loss

That's a bummer man. The Deontay Wilder stuff that's going on right now. He's released three different excuses. The first one was the weight vest. The thing that he was wearing, that crazy costume. Weighed 40 pounds. Apparently he wore his legs out. The next one was that... There was a bunch of people saying that Tyson Fury's gloves weren't attached correctly. So the gloves were extended. So he was hitting them with the knuckles and the glove part was not really attached. He was catching them with the part that's supposed to be over the wrist. Not correct. Not true. And easily provable. The next one he said, egg weights. He had egg weights. This is recent. A couple days ago. Then yesterday there was an article that said that he believes that his water was poisoned. By his own trainer. And Mark Breeland was a part of that. Understand, for folks who have been out and know who Mark Breeland is. Former Olympic gold medalist. World champion. Across two different weight divisions if I'm not mistaken. He is the voice of sanity or was. Till he was dismissed in that corner. That was the guy that threw the towel for him. Breeland should be thanked by Wilder and his camp until the end of time. His other trainer. I forget his last name. He was out there at the PostWipe press conference. Being like, I don't know if I would have thrown that towel. It's like you fucking yes man. Are you kidding me? Breeland took it upon himself to save the guy's life. But certainly make the right call for halting the contest. He was thanked by being dismissed and now essentially dragged through the mud with utterly. What I'm guessing are utterly baseless accusations about poisoning his own fighter. I mean maybe Tyson Fury's fucking awesome. That seems like the simplest explanation. Well Tyson Fury changed his strategy. And also you have to realize that Tyson Fury in the first fight. Was coming off of a multiple year battle with depression. Mental illness. Drinking. Gut suicidal thoughts. He talked on my podcast about driving his Ferrari and almost slamming into a bridge. He's like I was I was pedal to the metal and I was thinking about slamming into this bridge. And they changed his mind and it just slowly worked his way in shape. Got healthy again. Got his mind right again. And pulled it back around. But when he fought Deontay Wilder the first time. His father didn't want him to take the fight. He's like you're not healthy enough yet. You're not ready yet. And he did his best. He fought well. But it was a draw. By the time they fought the second time. He was in tip top condition. He had gone through the camp for the first fight. His body was completely recovered from all the abuse of alcohol and cocaine and all the shit that he was doing. And then he took on the crunk trainer Sugar Hill. And then his whole strategy changed. He's like the guy does not fight well off the heel. Off the back foot. Let's move him back. And Tyson Fury is fucking enormous. You know he's huge. 6'9". Yeah and he came into the fight I think it was like 280. And so he just pressed him and pressed him and just was throwing bombs. And I don't think Deontay Wilder expected that. Deontay Wilder expected him to run and move and jab. And fight the same way he fought in the first fight. Instead Tyson Fury just came right at him and just clipped him hard and often. And I think if you go back to their first fight and you look at how when Tyson Fury got dropped into 12th. Rose like Lazarus and then came back survived and then started winning the round. And then I think he realized from that moment on. Oh the way to beat this guy is to back him up. And then he took that strategy. Sugar Hill of course like crunk. Legendary aggressive attack. I mean they're like the if people are MMA fans who love shoot the box. They like to shoot the box of boxing right. If you think about it like aggressive attacking multiple champions. Gerald McClellan, Tommy Hearns. I mean the list goes on and on. And he employed that sort of attacking strategy. And he's a fucking masterful boxer too. Right that's the other part about it. I mean folks don't realize he can play the defensive game. I think you saw it in the Otto Vollin fight. He's so long and has such good trunk movement. He can actually lean on the ropes and the punches go in front because he's so tall and long he can he can play that game. Well the Klitschko fight. Right exactly. South Box Vladimir Klitschko is one of the greatest ever. Wasn't the most thrilling fight. I mean the Wilder fight was much better. But I did a whole video on it and I was like amazed. From the stance he took he had a little bit of an A-frame stance. So you can say just the way and he was always a double jab away. So he was long enough where he was outside of anything that Wilder could have put together who's a real one-two kind of guy. Or you know Wilder would just come lunging in with the punch and he was good enough to back him up and then steer him into punches. And I always talk about this Eugene Bearman who is the you know and everyone who gets on me because I'm always promoting city kickboxing. But it's like he's a masterful trainer. It's like well not only that I mean every once in a while you come around to a guy who not only can train fighters to a high degree but has an idea about what the game is missing and how to fill that gap. And they are big believers in fainting. They make a point they basically say like how is it possible you can have people come from this little tiny island and you know Autosign is the very best version of that. But like they've got good fighter Brad Rodell, Shane Young, Dan Hooker. They got a lot of guys and Volkanovski has trained under Brad who trained under Eugene. But basically what they believe is that what has been missing for a long time in MMA striking is effective faking and fainting. And that they do shadowboxing drills for hours just on fainting. No punches thrown just fainting just to set it all up because they basically say if you look at the way which a lot of American and even European strikers throw it's a lot of sit down and throw combinations which you could do but they don't really believe that's the best way to do it. The best gap to fill is that Fury to circle the point here is excellent. He is such a brilliant fainter and he had Deontay Wilder dead to rights over and over and over again which he didn't really do the first time around. And so you know all these excuses about my trainer a poison man it's like that's not what the tape shows bro. Well he got it he was making excuses when he got dropped with the first punch. He was like pointing to the back of his head and he was upset and you could see it's like it's really weird it's really weird when you see a guy who's so utterly dominant and who has what Teddy Atlas calls the great eraser that right hand because it really is he erases all your problems you fucked up a little bit watch this all your mistakes gone with that his right hand is a force of nature. It's one of the best right hands in the history of sports. Ever ever the Lewis Ortiz fight like what the fuck man yeah what the fuck hit him on the forehead and Ortiz is down like with a look in his face like what the what happened? And Ortiz is not some chump. He's huge. He's a Cuban boxer you know who has great pedigree one shot set his ass down. And he was winning the fight. Yeah exactly yeah he was the one in the fight and all of a sudden if you look at the my view on his power is that for straight rights which is really what he basically throws or maybe a little bit over handy because it's a little bit looping that's one of the best if not the best right hands in all of boxing. If you're talking about full-on power punchers though I don't know that he's got the full repertoire like is his upper cut with his right hand as good as his straight I don't know that it is. You see he got like Ernie Shavers right fuck bro yeah go look up Ernie Shavers highlights on YouTube and then it smokes some weed beforehand you will literally laugh at what he does to men for shocking to watch his power and he has the full repertoire of it you know. Yeah a lot of fighters who fought him said he was the most powerful punch they ever faced a lot of fighters. Someone told me I forget who it was but they uh they got hit by Shavers and then they felt it in the um in the roof of their foot. What's the what's the like the arch? The arch they felt it in the arch of their it like radiated into the arch of their foot. What the fuck is that? I never heard some shit like that you know what I mean? Yeah well power's a weird thing right like you're the born with it or you're not. I mean I've seen so many guys who you you'd look at and they're big and strong and you would say wow but that guy hits hard and they can't crack an egg. There's like there's a bunch of them there's always been a bunch of them in boxing there's been a bunch of them like you see him in the gym and then you see guys like do you remember Michael McDonald when he was a kid when he was coming up? Yes. Skinny looks like a little boy knock people into another dimension and you're like whoa this is crazy. Goes back to the Wilder fight like Wilder Deontay before Tyson Fury beat him had only gotten the decision two times Tyson Fury and uh Dominic Brazil was that what was? Brazil he knocked out in the first round in the rematch. Oh no Bermane Stavirn right? That's right Stavirn. Stavirn was in the first fight he beat him by decision. Right. And so he had been used and he had gotten so confident towards the end of his career. I remember there's a photo of him walking um to the fight or walking through a casino in Vegas. It's an amazing photo he's wearing a fur coat with an open shirt holding his wife's hand and he just looks like the ultimate heavyweight champion in the world. Like you see him like that is what I want from a heavyweight champion just top of the game just wearing these crazy sunglasses fully shredded fur coat holding his wife and I'm like that that's a heavyweight champion. Connor has that in his head. Yeah. Connor's the heavyweight champion of the world in his head you know which I don't like I'm not bashing for it like I want that. That's right. You should be resplendent and ignorant and amazing all at once. See if you can find that photo of Deontay Wilder holding his wife's hand wearing a fur coat. It's one of my favorite fighter photos like getting ready for a fight of all time because it's so just aggressively confident just and on top of the world. How do you do that? It's almost like a fuck you to everybody you know. Yeah I mean he was basically he was being the baddest man on the planet. I don't think I've ever had that kind of self-confidence ever. You know what I mean? Well you have to have that to be that guy right. Especially when you have you know he doesn't have the widest skill set you know what I mean? I mean literally came into the game I mean I had the privilege of that's one of them is that the one I just one where he's got no shirt on up in the is it for the first or second? Oh that he doesn't have a shirt on it's just a oh okay okay there it is yeah there it is that's it there's a few of those. He looks like Mr. T with all the chains too. Yeah I mean come on man. You got a white guy getting your luggage even better. Just I mean I'm a fan of his I really am and I'm a fan of his as a human being. I really enjoyed talking to him and he told me a story. He's a great interview. He's a great guy he got into boxing because his daughter was sick and he was. It's finally bifida right. Yeah and he's a delivery guy for like was it Budweiser or something like that or Coca-Cola? Yeah some liquid. And he was like look I gotta make some fucking money and he knew he wasn't gonna be able to play in a college sport or at a professional sport without a college background. So he's like well I'm gonna get into boxing. A year and a half in wins a bronze medal in the Olympics. Right. Like what the fuck? Just dumb power. Dumb power. Crazy like like one in a billion human power. But have you ever seen him interact with his kids? Like the the nobility of trying to do that for your daughter is one thing. He's got like a bunch of kids. He's got like five or six of them. And I've like uh I didn't I just had a kid about 18 months ago. I didn't understand it when I would watch. But like I don't think he's happier than when he's with his children and it's not even there's not even a close second. A doting family man. It's really unfortunate he's made these excuses because as a person he seems like such a sweet guy. It's a bummer and I wish someone was there to advise him. Breland. He was. Well I should bring you know I don't know maybe Mark doesn't have the kind of relationship with him that he can call him. My understanding is uh his uh his manager. Do you know his manager was the one who brought in Breland years ago. As like we was like we need somebody here who's like a high level trainer. Uh and brought him in and it worked for a time anyway but here we are. I talked to Roy Jones about him and Roy Jones was saying if he trained him what he would train him is he would concentrate on his left hand. He was like you already know you could put people to sleep with your right hand. He goes what about your left hand? He goes I want to keep people distance. Use the jab. Use the hook. He goes I would concentrate on just working that left hand. He goes that would fix so many of his problems because his left hand is just like here comes the right. Here comes the right. Boom. I mean he'll throw jabs but you're not terrified of it. The way you're terrified of Roy Jones left hand. Episodes of the Joe Rogan Experience are now free on Spotify. That's right. They're free from September 1st to December 1st. 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