Joe Rogan on Canada Legalizing Marijuana

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Dennis McKenna

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Dennis McKenna is an ethnopharmacologist, author, and brother to well-known psychedelics proponent Terence McKenna. His new book "Ethnopharmacologic Search for Psychoactive Drugs: 50 Years of Research (1967-2017)" is available here: http://www.synergeticpress.com/shop/ethnopharmacologic-search-psychoactive-drugs-50-years-research/

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So there's a lot still to be discovered. Now Canada has just recently legalized marijuana. As of today, I think, yes. Do they have any plans or do you know of considering the legality of other substances? As a matter of fact, they do. I can't really talk about it. And actually I shouldn't talk about it because I don't have that much information. But there is a gentleman who came to one of my retreats. I meet the most interesting people at these retreats. You wouldn't believe it. This guy is an aspiring young politician, Canadian politician from Ottawa. He's talking to Justin about legalizing psychedelics for therapeutic uses. And he's working with some lawyers and so on and putting together a proposal to do this. MDMA, assisted psychotherapy trials to begin final phase in Vancouver. Well, there you go. But that's MAPS, right? That's the catalyst behind that. He wants to change policy. And the thing is the Canadians are reasonable people. That's the big difference from Americans. You can propose this kind of thing and they won't dismiss it out of hand. Well, what's your evidence? Why should we do this? Justin's a very young guy. He's young. I imagine he's been beyond the chrysanthemum a time or two. You think so? I do. Really? Sure. I think so. What makes you say that? Has he spoken about it? I'm sure he wouldn't speak about it. I guess. Just a guess. He's the right age. He... Well, I can't say. It's just pure speculation. Let's put it this way. I wouldn't be surprised. For people who don't know what we're talking about, beyond the chrysanthemum means there's this thing that you see when you break through and you do DMT. It's a very bizarre geometric pattern that resembles a chrysanthemum. Right. Right. The Canadians, for instance, to get approval for these MDMA trials was a lot more straightforward in Canada. And now they've done some clinical studies with ayahuasca and they're on board with that. They've done some studies with indigenous people in Canada. They call it First Nations. But they have done that and it's been pretty straightforward to get that work done. That would be really fascinating. They don't have the drug hysteria that we have. So I think it's a good place to pursue this research.