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Tim Kennedy is a Green Beret, retired UFC fighter, founder of Sheepdog Response, and co-founder of Save our Allies: an organization dedicated to rescuing and relocating Americans and allies in war-torn environments. www.timkennedy.com
Yeah, the Russians got a bunch of them for their rocket program. Hell, the Egyptians did. Yeah. The Egyptians were trying to create a delivery system to drop bombs into Israel, and then Ben-Gurion started having these Nazi scientists try to have them assassinated. They were mailing, the Mossad was, are you familiar with this? No. The Mossad was mailing package bombs into Egypt and throughout Europe, trying to kill these German scientists, and they were all German Nazi rocket guys that were working for Egypt, and Egypt wanted to go blow up Israel. This is into the 60s. Wow. So they're still trying to find ways to kill the Jews, and they're like, oh yeah, we'll go work for you, Egypt. So it's- Isn't this crazy, is how fucking technologically advanced the Germans were? So far ahead of us. It's so amazing, and to this day, you drive a BMW and you go, whoa. You motherfuckers are on point. Yeah. I'm driving Chevy Malibu right now, and I'm like, ew. Drive a Corvette. Get a new Corvette. They're pretty fucking badass. It's all in what you buy. But I mean, this German engineering in the 80s is fucking phenomenal. I mean, if you drove a German car from the 1980s and an American car from the 80s, it's like there's no comparison. Yeah. I have a 1991 Porsche, and it's a fucking piece of engineering, man. It's a marvel of engineering. I mean, it's not fast like a modern car, but when you compare the build quality and how they constructed it and how it was put together in comparison to a fucking Dodge Daytona from 1990, that's a hunk of shit. Nobody wants one of those today. Well, unless you're going to build a VBID, then you want it. Oh, I get it. That's the only time if you could blow it up. Again, it's you, the way you think is different. 13 year old child trafficking, counterfeit money. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be in some country and I'll be walking by and I'll look at a car and be like, that would make a great bomb. I swear to God that shit goes through my head. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's how the business works. Yeah. We'll grow up someday. So when you're over there in Argentina and you're meeting with these people and you know that they're descendants of Nazis and they'll, they bring out this grandfather's chest of things and war medals and all this jazz. Like what is this feeling like? Do you feel like these people got away with something? I mean, they kind of did, but these aren't the people that did it, but they're the descendants of the people that did it and they're still worshiping those people in some way. Yeah. I had a lot of soul searching, trying to figure out what is the appropriate thing? What's the appropriate response? What am I supposed to be feeling right now? And I think I'm a pretty exposed person. Like I'm in tuned with what I feel. And one of the hardest days we're in Chile and I interviewed this man and this woman and they are both, one of them is a second generation. So she was born on the colonial Dignadad on this compound as a Nazi separated from her parents. She didn't know who her parents was. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She was brought there at like age three or four, but she grew up there and they're separated from her parents. She didn't know who her parents was. Her husband was a Chilean boy that was local and he heard about this new hospital that's built by Dr. Mengele and how everybody has food there. And he's a porch lane kid. So he was able to get onto the compound. Well the locals and the Germans aren't supposed to be together. So he was kind of kept separated. Well, because he was local, they started testing him and it got really violent and disgusting by the time he was a teenager. He's being thrown out of windows, having his bones broken, being nursed back to health, being set on fire, being nursed back to health for like 10, 15 years. He finally talks his, what will be his future wife into escaping with him. And they sneak out on in a cheese truck because one of his friends when he was a Chilean kid grew up to be a police officer in a nearby and he was able to get a letter out to them being like, please come help us. And they came in and do a health inspection and they hopped inside of this cheese truck and they got away. So I'm talking to this guy and he's telling me about the things that happened to him. And I'm not going to get into it. But they were the most horrible things that could happen to a little boy that you could imagine beyond rape, beyond being burnt alive, beyond being broken for years and years and years. And I'm shaking because I, man, I'm an Afghanistan and they threw some acid on some kids. And I found those guys and killed those guys because that's what you do when you, when you hurt little kids. You know, I got a soft spot for people that can't take care of themselves that can protect themselves. I think every real human isn't going to let anything weaker than ever get hurt in front of them. And so I'm shaking, listening to this story, you know, and I was like, and I know I have to go back to Colonia, Digging Dad the next day and put on like, I'm a tourist guy hosting a travel show. And that's what was, that's what was our disguise to get in there was like, Oh, you know, this is a beautiful Bavarian village. You can come here. That was the, our little way in. And I was just going to go in and destroy that whole entire place. That was my plan. And the guy's looking at me and he's like, I see your anger, you know, and I was like, yeah, I'm going to go hurt all of them. He's like, no, you know, no more pain. And I said, okay, what's going on? He looks at his wife and he goes, that's, she saved me. Every time that I was burnt, every time that's broken, it was just love. That's how I got out. That's why we're alive today. And we're going to die of old age together with the woman that I fell in love with on this colony. The only thing that matters is love. And I was like, God damn, I like you, but I still want to go hurt all of those people. You know, so it's like, so these people that were doing this to him, what was, what was their objective? They wanted to understand. So the same test that Joseph Mingley was doing in Germany in 1943, he's now doing in Chile in 1953. He just has a different population to test. They're not Jews, they're Chilean boys and they're strong and they're wiry and they need less food. They're not like the, I'm using quotation marks, the cockrope Jews that you just couldn't kill. You know, these were, these were young, strong Browns. Like these are their words verbatim that I'm using, you know, and it's like, yeah, I want to tear your guys faces out and, you know, stick soldering irons in your ear because you guys are so evil, but then I'm the same as them. So I just wrote torn. I didn't know what to do. I just wanted to kill them all. Well, it's the worst aspects of human beings is this desire to hurt people that are weaker than you and torture them. And this is just coming into contact with that. And then some guy who has this most beautiful response to it. Yeah. I love saving. I just want to die. Oh, fuck. You're a better human than I. So I never knew how to respond to these things. I wanted to, every time I'd see a new SS medal or I'd see, you know, like this, the cross that they won for valor, like crazy, the equivalent of medal of honors these guys have in their parlors. Like these were Nazis. You realize your grandpa is a yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Total pride, swelling in their chest. You know, I was like, oh, I'm going to crack you in the face, dude. So how did Mangle a dog? Did he die of old age? Of old age. He died on a beach in Brazil. His journal was found on the beach in Brazil. Motherfucker. Yeah. Married a beautiful Brazilian girl. Wow. Mm hmm. Adolf Eichmann. He got snatched by the, the Mossad in Argentina. Skorzenki. He died of old age. In the 1960s, the Egyptians, when they're trying to build that rocket program to annihilate the, to annihilate Israel, Skorzenki started working for the Mossad, but he didn't really know it for they were paying him millions and millions of dollars to hold these parties for what he thought was the rise of the fourth, right? Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, so he was bringing in like Mercedes and, um, Cruch, Cruch, steel, Krushner steel, crushed steel, these massive billion dollar corporations for the time. He was hosting these Soreys and talking and having other high level Nazis that were still alive, come in. And he was just really being used by the Mossad to try to figure out who was facilitating this Egyptian rocket program. So they just were putting on these parties to kind of get everybody together so they could keep tabs on everybody and figure out who's who. That's what the Mossad was doing. Yeah. He was doing it with the intent of. Making the fourth right. Yeah. Rising the fourth right. So the Mossad did this and then what did they do once they figured out who was who? Um, finally, they, I don't like this part because I like just getting, killing bad people. Um, they figured out that the, the, the big problem with the delivery system for the Egyptians and their missile program was the navigation system. And they were trying to hire a whole bunch of these experts, um, to come work for this program and they diplomatically kind of went behind the back and they got all of this. This really the only experts in the world, they prevented them from going and traveling to and work for Egypt. So they kind of diplomatically ended the, the development of the delivery system for their, their warheads. So that's how they handled it. After they poisoned some people and they sent some mail bombs and they kidnapped a guy and tortured him and killed him. So. Fuck. Yeah. Real torture, not, not fake torture. It's amazing how few people know about the Nazi escapees that went to South America. It's amazing how when this, this comes up, it's, it's relatively unknown. I mean, your show has done a lot to shed some light on it. And I've read some articles about Nazis that escaped to South America, but it's not common knowledge. No, by design, I mean, when you're down there, there is a, there's a shroud of silence. You're not supposed to talk about these things. It takes a long time for me to get an interview with a guy. It takes a long time for building rapport. I mean, we're talking like we, I have some pretty high level people working with me, special operations from every single branch to include the CIA army special forces. And we are pulling out every trick in the book to try to get these people to talk to us to include bribing them. And the it's hard. So they, they still don't talk about it to this day. Do you, did you have to bring in German speaking people? Yeah, a lot of time. Wow. I mean, what can be done? I mean, obviously there's not the same people, right? There's a people that benefited from the people that went down there. So you're talking about like third generation removed. Yeah. But what could be done? The, it's kind of the damage is done, right? Yeah. But that's a lot of damage. What can be done is the ideas can die. The ideas of fascism, the ideas of racism, the, those, those things we can kill. Right. But are those ideas, are those ideas being fostered in these communities? I think, yes. Yeah. They're being cultivated. Yeah. Cause like, you experienced it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I'm a white guy walking down the street, I am, I am a higher degree than the locals. Right. I can go and shop in some places that they can't. I can go in and sit down and have a meal in some places that they can't. I can, I'm being greeted on the street and good Morgan, you know, like, not, not the brown dude next to me. He's not. And his kid definitely can't date the blue eyed blonde girl at the high school. That's not allowed. So they basically created these little colonies. Yeah. Yeah. Nazi colonies in South America. Yeah. Did you Google, Google, clone your dignity? Yeah. You will have nightmares. Dude, I'm freaking out right now. It's not. It's crazy how many people got away with it. The Joseph Mengele died on a beach. That's Korsetsky. The hot Brazilian wife. I mean, that, that, that, that one hurts me because he's a guy like me just on the ops because he, he's a special operations guy. He was an SS. Um, he's, he's, he was a physical specimen, especially for the time, you know, like we didn't understand. I mean, he was, he was very early on into one of the first real Nazis. Like this isn't okay. All of Germany's going this way. The chancellor is Adolf Hitler. This is where we're going. I kind of just have to go along and you see some of that in the third, 43, 44. Um, now it's okay. We might be losing this war. Now it's not so in vogue, but when you got guys in like 1939 that are talking eugenics and, um, you know, higher calling for breeding and segregation, um, early on, you're like, eh, I don't like that guy. I'm gonna beat him to death with my hands, but he's massive. So it'd be a pretty good fight. Yeah, it was a, there we go. Reform Nazi cult trying to, what does it say? Jamie was the full, uh, full Nazi cult. What is the, uh, so that, that, that's just a marketing thing. Is it still the same place? Reform Nazi cult trying to open its colony to tourism. And where is this? That's in Chile. Yeah. I spent a lot of time there right there. How they made a movie about it. So that's current day right there. Jesus Christ. Later hoes in range. It's freaking gorgeous though. It's, I mean, it is Shangri-La German flag flying. Wow. I need to hide the Nazi things they've had. I had dinner right there. Look at them all dressed up on the charts. I know, I know that guy on the left. Do you really? Yep. What's that bro? We talked in the butcher, butchery. There he is right now. Juicy. All right. Yeah. Um, so I had this guy with me, Mike Simpson. He is a, he works with me at Sheepdog Response. He's a doctor. He was a ranger that became a green beret that then went to medical school and then came back to special operations, um, for the rest of the war. And he's our director of training for Sheepdog Response. He was with me. He and I both speak Spanish when we were down there, but they didn't know that he was a doctor and they didn't know that we spoke Spanish and they didn't know that our translator that looked very Chilean could also speak German, perfect German. She translates for Porsche. Um, so they thought that they could have all these little conversations with the stupid hairy handed, um, Irish guy hosts from the tourism channel that, and they could get away. Well, we understood everything that they're saying. What were they saying? So one of our tour guides was formally a nurse in the hospital that they closed down and we stole one of their, their little ID cards to get into that hospital. And we stole a bunch of documents of them documenting them torturing little kids in the hospital. In the hospital. None of this made the air because it's, it's, there's so much litigation going on where all of these victims of cloning, a dignity that are suing via Bavaria. And what time period are you talking about when they're torturing kids? Like when was this? 60s to 90s. Wow. And so this is essentially Nazis and the ancestors of Nazis carrying on those practices in secret. Yeah. Jesus Christ. It's crazy. Man, we, this isn't, this isn't just people that got away with it and then their ancestors moved here and they evolved and changed. So what do you do with that place? You saw the pictures. I mean, that, that, that place is worth maybe a hundred million dollars and they bought that with Nazi money. What do you do with that? Where does that go? Where does that go? I don't know. I mean, the Nazi money we're talking melted fillings from Jews mouths. We're talking wedding rings off of Jews fingers. They bought that land with that money. And it's gorgeous. Jesus Christ. And they have a German colony there. What? I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is. I mean, how does Chile feel about it? Chile has been in a tough position because of the amount of power that they have had there. Nobody. So in the, in the sixties, they were at behest of the president. They were bringing in people that disagreed with the dictator and they were torturing them and they're getting that information and giving it back to the president. Well that went on for like 10 years. And so the Nazis were doing that for? Yes. Okay. For, um, Oh my God, I cannot believe I remember whoever the dictator was. Yeah. But I'm so embarrassed. I can't remember his name right now because it's around the tip of my tongue. Anyways, but that information they also had. So not only the information went back to the president that he could use against his rivals, but they also had it. So they know all the dirt about everybody. They know who is having sex with who, who has a kid with who, who went to this prostitute place, who has a deal with the CIA, who's working with the Venezuelans, who's working with the Argentinians. Like they have all that dirt because they gave it to the president. They have it too. So they had been untouchable politically for, you know, 30, 40 years because they had so much power because they had so much information because they had so much dirt on every single high ranking person in South America. Jesus Christ. No, that's been a trip year for me from that show and then straightened to hard to kill the show for the discovery channel from going then to point to Africa. Like this year, I don't even know. I can't even. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.