Joe Rogan & Marques Brownlee - The Problem with Apple

Excess max this one right here, but I'm so sour on Apple because of what they did with the batteries Yeah, that was such a dirty thing to me because everybody had always suspected like my friend Brian was always like dude I'm telling you when the new phones come out your old phone starts moving slower Mike. Yeah, it's a conspiracy That's all horseshit. Yeah, your phone's just old bro, but then when I found out that it was real I was like you assholes and it's a problem the problem was the way they didn't tell people like they could have just avoided like the whole Whatever like PR we want it whatever you want to call it by just telling people look This is what we do when your phone's getting older We need to preserve either the CPU or the battery so we need to either voltage down the CPU Or save your battery pick one and give us a choice They didn't tell us until people started suspecting things and they had to make a statement and then it looked kind of dirty and like Hidden I don't buy it. Yeah I think it's a trick to try to get you to buy new phones I don't there's no way they didn't think about that of course. There's no chance about it about that Yeah, why else would they do it that way? Why would why else wouldn't they just let the battery be slower or let the the CPU be slower? And the best part is they give you the choice now But if you never look for it, you'll never find it and they definitely still Default to saving your battery by under clocking the chip So your phone will still slow down if you don't know where to find that option as soon as the new phones come out basically It's just dirty it seems pretty dirty because it's the thing that everybody always suspected Oh everybody was suspected there was some sort of Engineered obsolescence and they did they're doing this on purpose to get you to keep buying the newest latest and greatest But I wanted to let go Apple come on Apple wouldn't do that. I mean are your friends. They paint this picture. That's really up upright Like we want you to have the best experience as long as possible Sure, which involves not replacing your battery, which means we'll just slow it on your phone Just a little bit so that it's it lasts longer and the battery can keep up Makes sense on paper but on paper Well, it's there's a lot of things about Apple that I really like I really love the the OS. I literally really love it I mean, it's it's just so much better than Windows, but their keyboard sucks so bad on their laptop It's just all the laptop. Yeah clicky. It just doesn't it doesn't feel good. It's got shallow travel There's all these issues with I switched to a Lenovo. I went with a ThinkPad just for for stand-up I have to write a lot and I found out that I write way slower like maybe 10 words per minute slower Like it's it's a real issue because it's like you make a lot more mistakes with those little shallow Clicky things. Yeah, and with the Lenovo you have a much you have much more travel It's much easier to touch type. It just feels better for me, but that bums me out It's like why can't they get that right like you you're making these things for creative people, right? That's your whole things like think different, you know, that's another thing. I kind of got like It's again like what Apple tries to portray themselves as versus what you're actually Experiencing if you never listen to Apple and you get the new laptop like wow, this keyboard's worse. Yeah sucks Why is this keyboard so shallow and mushy? Yeah And then you're supposed to listen to Apple and they're like, well we made it quieter We made it thinner. So the laptops thinner now And they'll give you all these reasons why they did what they did and there's you're supposed to go. Okay. Yeah that actually makes sense Maybe this is better but your experience often says the opposite so that's why people like to not listen to what Apple says and just Evaluate it without listening to that particularly for writers for someone who writes and you write on a regular basis You want a comfortable keyboard and you know, i've i've constantly searched for the best keyboard right now I think it's probably the thinkpad But i've heard great things about the razor the razor pro which is the really large gaming one It has a mechanical keyboard for the first time ever on a laptop. Yeah, and that's supposed to be really good I have tried the blade and i've tried what i'm using right now is the surface the microsoft surface laptop too And that's got a pretty good keyboard. Yeah, it's travels a lot. It's backlit and then the actual Laptop part itself is not metal. It's got like alcantara like you might see inside a car like a soft touch on the laptop I have in my backpack. Yeah, so pull that out go grab that i'll go grab that it's kind of alcantara Yeah, like fake suede. Yeah, like what you see in the car. Yeah, that's the craziest shit i've ever heard in my life Alcantara Yeah, um the razor pull up that razor blade pro too if you get a chance We'll look at the surface first because he's gonna go grab that but the razor blade pro is also it's an enormous laptop And it has the yeah, that's it right there The razor blade pro is so big and wide that it actually has the mouse on the side like a trackpad This is it, huh? So that's the surface laptop too Oh, wow How weird and the keyboard is pretty good. It's like a polished alcantara. Oh, that feels good Yeah, the question though whenever you see that material is like if i'm putting my palms on that all the time How long will that last? Will it start to like thin out and look kind of worn after a while or will it stay looking like that? I hope it does and also the whole laptop is matte black, which is I think that looks dope but That's also usually a fingerprint magnet when you carry around like a matte black thing you get like all this This grease on it or whatever carrying it. So like that's a challenge for that laptop, but I love it Well, the other thing about the difference between the keyboard on this versus The keyboard on uh, what I have is I have the Lenovo carbon x1 And what I really like about this Is that there's they're not flat. They have like a little bit of uh, Like a dip to them. So your fingers sort of sit in them a little bit. Yeah, there's like a little bit of a Yeah, that's smart. I wish more so like you kind of it's easier. Oh, yeah, it's easier to touch Exactly like this spot. Yeah, why don't people figure that out? I think all of it is just you get used to it Like there's a there's a google tablet that came out recently with a 200 keyboard accessory that has circular keys and slightly concave but like Typing on it was fine and like they claim like oh, yeah Once you get used to it like the surface area of the key being circular makes it easier to type faster after a while I don't know if I buy that yet Maybe if you were secretary and you're really you're really used to the circular it looks like a typewriter. Why don't you just look at it? Pull that thing up that would be the google What do they call it Something tab it came out like the same time the pixel 3 and their naming is weird with them But it has a yeah basically a a surface like like 200 keyboard magnet accessory You can prop it up at any angle and it goes from a tablet to a laptop with this keyboard dock Huh, and then it's uh, it's kind of interesting but the circular keys I found weird that Alcantara on the hand rest feels amazing. Yeah, that's really nice Yeah, I think i'll get used to that I I i've been using a macbook pro for so long Like I the contrast is like I was really used to like having metal and like metal feels premium and good It's like it's not going to wear down Um, but I I like this a lot Well, what metal doesn't feel good though is on your hands when you're sitting on it for a long time If you're writing yeah, the edges Yeah, they kind of got the edges right where like they wrap the the material around to the sides Macbook pro is literally sharp. Yeah, it cuts you kind of you put your hands on the edge for two lines This Lenovo is carbon fiber. Nice. So this whole thing is uh, it's not cheap though. No, it's not cheap In comparison to uh a mac laptop though. It's true. It is and there's way more options That's the other thing with a mac you get like a 13 inch you get a 15 inch You get a touch bar or you get nothing. Yeah, what's the matter jammy pixel slate? I just had it there the picture changed. Oh these motherfuckers. That's what it's called though pixel slate Oh, there it is. Okay, so those are the keys those are circular keys and that sort of connects to the tablet It's a great accessory like the the magnet on the back Like I don't know if you've seen a surface the tablet with the little kickstand You kind of have like a couple notches where you can adjust it and I think the new version has infinite adjustment But this is the same thing like there's a magnet in the back of the surface or the the pixel slate Lets you adjust the tablet to any angle watch videos type Apple's the only company that makes keyboards that I know that had it better In like 2012 than they do in 2018 if you get a 2012 macbook you go. Oh, this is kind of better There's more travel. Yeah, you might think it's like an upgrade if they went backwards. Yeah. Yeah, that's goofy What the fuck I don't know how they did that yeah They're so design oriented. I mean everything looks stellar. That's what it is. Apple has been uh Not a victim of their own desire to make great design but they often Very often make compromises sometimes to the detriment of how good a product can be to make it look better Classic example was the mac pro the little circular trash can looking mac pro that came out. Yeah 2012 or something like that Uh, they kept they made all these promises. It's this sleek modern workstation It's going to have the zeon chips and big gpu's and I loved it uh, but it only had one fan for a six seven thousand dollar workstation and they Constantly overheated and with throttle and eventually it was a nightmare for them Wasn't that something that was going on with the latest laptops with the latest macbook pro? Yeah. Yeah, same thing Same thing they made the the i9 the core i9 they put in this super thin laptop They made this laptop so thin and they kept the fan speed so low because it's gotta be quiet So they they just throttled the cpu down so it wouldn't get so hot that they had to kick up the fans that high So the actual performance even though the cpu is more powerful was not as good as the last model, right? That's which was fucking stupid. Look good. Exactly So yeah apples been a victim of their own like desire to make things so beautiful And then they got fucked by wahweh because wahweh came along with the mate book And the mate book pro is really a better version of the macbook come into it. Yeah, they fucking nailed it There's no bezels the way that webcam pops up from the button found interesting. I don't know how it's like angles like up your nostrils Exactly. It's like on the table level of wherever you're sitting. I'm looking up at you. That's very odd But yeah, there's there's a lot of great things about that. But pull that thing up mate book pro Wahweh, but meanwhile it's probably spying on you all day long. Yeah sending information to chinese government Yeah, wahweh's reputation is not so hot They just found some spy chip in their cell phones. Oh you're talking about the uh Well, there's a couple things that just happened with with chips in hardware. There's another thing about A bloomberg report. Did you see that? Yes The chips that came from all these this this server company or this company that makes the chips that sells to all these big companies like apple and and major major companies and now everyone's compromised and Apple's like nope, not true. Definitely not true. Don't say of course not us. Yeah, no 100 not us But like yeah, that's that's a really weird story Look at this mate book like the bezels they're almost non-existent Gorgeous website if you're if you're gorgeous laptop If you're wahweh and you make that now you have to convince people to switch from the macbooks that they love to that Yes, just on looks alone. They could probably do it But then there's all the other features like well, it doesn't run mac OS 10. Do I have iMessage? Right do I have no all these other things that I like about my mac this huge touchpad, right? Well, it does have a huge touchpad Yes, but I I'd say to this day still apple has the best laptop touchpads the multi-touch stuff The battery life is supposed to be excellent as well, right? Yeah How look at it that chart that chart was perfect because that's like all these x's for that. Yes, we have great design We have better ports. You only have usb-c on that little macbook pro. We have full-sized usb. We have all this stuff We'll give audio to the macbook pro. It's got bigger speakers, whatever, but we have a better battery life We have all this better lower price all this stuff and you still have to reconcile with What people love about their macbook pros? Yeah, mac OS 10. Well, there's that but there's also people love having an apple product That too they do love that. Yeah, like if someone if you could put an apple logo on a wahweh I wonder how many they could sell probably a little bit out of them Yeah, well, you know some comic has a joke about texting a girl and the text message comes back in green you go damn. She's poor Because the true thought people have yes people want iMessage like if you're if you're messaging someone And you find out it won't send an iMessage You'll only send a text message like oh, it's weirdo. They have a flip phone like some cave person I've been on the other side of that like I carry an iphone, but I don't I text people on my android phone so i've never been on the judging side, but I I wonder about that every day like really what does it matter like I text you with a green bubble which apple Decided first of all to differentiate iMessage versus text message, which is hilarious Um What who cares like well the blue does look better it i'm sure they decided to they i'm sure in a software update They tweaked that green to make it look extra harsh Well, you know what it is is they figured out they figured out with pool tables a long time ago Like pool tables the cloth generally is green, right? But when they started playing in professional tournaments They realized that blue cloth is actually easier on the eyes and you could differentiate differentiate the edges better So a lot of like really high-end professional matches are played on blue cloth now It's like a light blue sky blue cloth. Yeah, i've seen and that's I guess because of the way your eyes work Like something about primary colors and the cones and you're more contrast sensitive to blue something like that I don't know. Well, it's something about the way the way white contrast with green is not quite as pleasing as white contrasting with blue But it could be that apple's fucking with you with the green They're giving you some vomit green make it some brown color next year. Yeah. Well, the color of the app is green Well when they make a blue I messaged the app that button you press to open it is green. It's a green logo Why not make it blue? That's really true. Yeah, what the fuck? That's very good point jammy Hey Yeah, why did they do that? It's still why would it be green when you're sending blue messages apple? You dorks steve job's dead. You guys are fucked. You don't know what you're doing But the the mate book other than that it's supposed to have a better keyboard. It's supposed to have a keyboard That's probably similar to that surface book and it's supposed to have better battery life Bezellis. Yeah bezellis touch screen touch screen higher resolution But you got to deal with windows 10 which is a little bit of a pain in the ass. I gotta admit It's like the updates are almost daily There's something going on with firmware or something going on with this or that or i've gotten used to it Mostly though because most of what I do on my laptop is pretty web-based So i'm just living in chrome or safari or whatever. So it's not a big deal but then yeah, once I have to go out and I'm gonna go in lightroom and do some photo work and then like suddenly i'm digging through files and i'm in windows And it's then you start to yeah feel like you're different Yeah, when you first time you have to update a driver you're like, what is it? 1996 the fuck is going on here? I'm updating drivers. I try to avoid that. Ew It's just they're close though. Like it's way better than it was five years ago Yeah, you know five years ago. You would look at windows to be like this is like some archaic pixelated came from vista to windows 7 to windows 10 vista was kind of that nightmare and then they kind of Have worked upwards. I started with windows 95 I used to make my own computers back in my hardcore video gaming days. Nice. I used to go to fries electronics and get motherboards And the box and fans and I started that online So I never went to a physical computer store to buy parts But I would have to do the whole like cross cross referencing what's compatible with what online And then put together a whole list and then just buy it and then nine boxes show up and like hopefully they all work Yeah, but yeah, it was the same experience. Yeah and sli video cards and Connecting them with that cable and you ever mess up and break one. Oh, yeah Yeah, but fixing it makes you feel like you did something well There's something going on when you're like the jumpers for the motherboard and you're moving stuff around and it's it was cool Yeah, and then once you actually got online with a computer you made yourself like this is yeah something about this And I remember when you used to be able to do that with apple you used to be able to buy clones Yeah, I mean my so I way back in the day still in high school. I had a del xps like 730 I think it was called this huge desktop where again you could like take this CPU cooler out put a new one in it was modular fully and then apple also made this Huge desktop this power mac. Mm-hmm, or I don't know what it was called at the time But it was again massive you could take the graphics card output a new one in you could take the RAM out Take the CPU out but it was like this this weird system where like they're on like decks and you had to like Trunk like take this big metal slot out and then do the CPU there and then put it back in yeah It's really satisfying to like change the hardware and like yeah, I did that and then you put it up and it's like that's exactly right Now it's got eight gigs around. Yeah, there's something especially I don't know. I think it's a man thing too men like changing carburetors Mechanical field. Yeah, that's probably a lot to do with it, too. Yeah, that's it That thing yeah, I remember that sucker one generation after that because that whole that it had like basically like elevator Levels to it like the top level and on the bottom level and on the hard drives and the power supply and the top like all That stuff and you can mess with that If you go over someone's house and have that now you're like what the fuck is wrong with you But that's the thing about like that was the most accessible modular desktop apple ever ever made And now they're making this promise again like all right We listened we know that little trashcan mac pro was not good thermally or design wise for anyone So we're gonna make a modular professional desktop mac pro again. That's what they said And it's gonna be next year sometime and I keep picturing that I picture them going back to the roots of like a real bonafide desktop because right now the most powerful iMac or mac You can get is the iMac pro And you can't even update the ram in the iMac pro really you can't update anything about iMac pro really Yeah, what you buy is what you get if you buy a seven thousand dollar iMac pro you will have that spec forever Apple doesn't want you opening anything in that thing So when they say yeah, we're gonna make a modular updateable real well-designed Apple desktop i'm like, I really hope they're doing that like