Joe Rogan - Is YouTube Demonitization Censorship?

And even no no mchomsky said something about Sam Harrison Jordan Peterson and that Free speech does not and pro does not apply to hate speech What? Like yes, it does. Yes, it does. That's crazy That's someone who's really smart can say it doesn't yeah. Okay, so it's available on YouTube So he put some post saying that he was blocked from something It doesn't matter The point is one thing that's been shown is that they're trying to silence more they're trying to Stop the spread of conservative ideology and spread liberal ideology like they're actively trying to do that. I feel like There's a real worry that When you have a platform whether it's YouTube or something like that That you could get infected by like say shit posters if shit posters just they're more They're more prolific Right. They're like if you look just look at the comments on YouTube like in a lot of like really popular things the comments are horrific like way Disproportionate to how they would be in the real world Like the comments and the pita anger that you find in a lot of YouTube videos especially if you look at like the comments of podcasts Holy shit, dude people are opinionated right they got some crazy Why I'll fucking opinion now if you were YouTube you'd like we have to figure out a way To stop people from saying faggot or we have to figure out a way to stop people from doing this or stop people from From being homophobic we have to figure out a way to stop people from supporting Trump We have to figure out a way to stop people from talking about the wall You have to figure out a way this and as soon as you start doing that kind of stuff You run into a real slippery where you're deciding what people shouldn't shouldn't be able to say even if it's legal That gets real weird because then you don't have a free speech platform. You have a left-wing Platform like your your platform is now left-wing and I'm not saying you're wrong But I'm saying it Strengthens the position of the people that you oppose because they they are being suppressed like you could see they're being suppressed Even if they're wrong you put a guy in jail because his dog says Listed pop when he says see how like boy you you just looked real fucking stupid to most people and now the fight is on And now it's gonna be this swarm of controversy where people are freaking. I just found out about it yesterday I just found out about it last night. I think Might not even it might have been this morning when I woke up YouTube is reported Did you hear about this your kids? This famous conspiracy theorists his videos have been coming up in the YouTube kids app Teaching like flat earth type shit and like we didn't go to the planet where moon good stuff Yeah, what a good move is getting in a lot of you know where they can hold there's too much Here's the thing about YouTube No, this is in defense of them because I talked though I have dinner with some big wigs at YouTube and there was some of the stuff they said was very annoying and not calling things hate speech that just weren't like Talking about someone who got a community guidelines strike because they put a conversation up in their playlist between Sam Harris and Douglas Murray Two intellectuals and they said that it was because it was hate speech I was like that is the fact they could just say that just drove me nuts But they're dealing with who knows how many videos every day. I mean, it's insane How could they part how could they possibly even know the videos? Okay, the total number of people use YouTube is What is that number billion? Oh my god? One billion three hundred million 300 hours of video uploaded to YouTube every minute almost five billion videos are watched on YouTube every single day in an average month Eight out of ten eighteen to four nine year olds watch YouTube One of the things this woman said to me that I I agree with her on I mean I believe her Because this is not about about opinion Is about the way YouTube works? She said right now we have very crude tools to find offensive speech hate speech they're very crude tools sometimes they missed a mark and Sometimes when you're dealing with like subtlety like humor like I could say hey you fuck and you know people go Oh, he was angry like obviously not you hear the tone You know like someone saying that they're saying it to friends and they're joking around they're being silly and everybody's laughing YouTube misses that they don't they don't know what's humor and what's not so are you saying that you can never make a joke about? You know a guy's dick or you can never make a joke about a girl's vagina Are you never in big joke about heterosexual sex? Can you know? No you can do that. Okay, can I make a joke about gay sex? No, no you can't oh I see because I'm not gay. Okay, can I make a joke about white people? Yes. Can you make a joke about black people? No Okay, what are we doing here? What are we doing? You're deciding what people can and can't say and then they're also Demonetizing things and we've had some demonetize ones that were just like okay There's got to be some sort of an algorithm going on here What is a word we say and that word triggers some sort of response? And then they say that it's up for we we have it up for manual review sometimes But like our Douglas Murray one where we talked about YouTube demonetizing videos that one got demonetized So it's like okay, are they doing that to fuck with us or are they doing that because Douglas talked about radical Fundamentalist Islam like what is it? And their defense it's just their platform. They should be able to do whatever they want Should they though because what are they then if it's who is they who is they the people they hired? But doesn't that shift like the assumption is that everybody who works in management? Everybody who works behind the scenes all shares a mindset. That's crazy That doesn't even make any see that's not even a society like group think tanks like that Like if they all agree and this was one of the things that James DeMoure pointed out about Google It's like they don't leave any room whatsoever for conservatives like they absolutely discriminate against conservatives I'm not conservative But if I was and I worked at a company like Google Yeah, imagine how fucking on the outside you would feel like is it illegal to be conservative? Like isn't there a responsible ethical form of conservatism? That's not racist not homophobic but but presumes that a conservative person in power would be more fiscally responsible Will have economic policies that they agree with Interventionalist policies they agree with I don't I don't think that that's outside the realm of possibility that a reasonable person could be conservative But if you work for any big tech company That's not in the menu. You don't get to be that like you don't get to promote that you don't get to agree with that It's weird It's not good because it's not it's not open speech You're supposed to be able to talk shit through I like to listen to someone who Has a very strong opinion about something and see if it resonates with me now if you stop stop that'll stifle that I was Just kind of demonetizing a video though isn't Sensoring someone it's encouraging censorship This is why because you don't want to be demonetized if you have a video and that video can make you $500 if it's um if it's up and it gets ads or it can make you zero dollars But that's that's a $500 incentive for you to not talk about whatever the fuck got it demonetized right? But that's in the that then makes your argument of like what were you making the content for in the first place? Are you know it doesn't know no no no no no no no no no it's it's a motivation For you to censor your speech Whatever you're making it for in the first place that you presume that someone was just making it to make it But there's an absolute monetary value if they put ads on it So if they take away the monetary value and they do it specifically because you chose a certain subject That is in fact a form of censorship There were what they're doing is encouraging you to self-censor in order to make more money They could say hey you can do whatever the fuck you want But we're gonna decide that if you talk about fill in the blank that subject no money So don't talk about that subject anymore They're not gonna give you money because they're sharing that money with you though that you could still share that video on your Twitter Channel you could still share it on your blog and still make money if you could find your own advertisers It's just they're seeing what you're doing I see what you're doing, but it's not a good argument the reason why it's not a good argument It's because they made a concerted decision They made a very clear decision to take away the ads on videos where they don't like what you're saying That just could be because they don't have advertisers that are willing to pay them That's all that's the way I would look at it The I've advertised that what didn't want to pay them because of like Douglas Murray and Sam Harris talking Just couldn't maybe they couldn't find the money for it. They're like yeah, guess what this week. It's not monetized Okay, you don't know this this is a weird suggestion I'm making a guess but you're doing this to try to reinforce your original opinion I don't I don't think it is censorship. It's a form of censorship I don't I think that demonetizing is not a good thing because of other ways other reasons that it happens I'm on YouTube because they then have an incentive to share monetized videos because they're making money on them I get that but it's just because it's demonetized. I understand that YouTube who has a YouTube has an incentive to share monetized video Is because they're sharing in the profit of every single video We're monetized video doesn't creators that get a hundred percent of the money. They get half of the money, right YouTube gets the other half So if a video is monetized there's they benefit sharing from it, right? Right, right, right so that even reinforces more the idea that they're censoring. Yeah, that's what I'm saying But like that they're not they're censoring the ability for it to share to be shared in the YouTube platform not on the internet That's true. That's all but they're not censoring what they're doing is promoting self-censorship by giving you a fiscal reward For following their line again, that's just where I'm saying like as a creator if you're making content to just make money on YouTube Then you have to play by their rules. Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but what my point about all this is is What they're doing is like they're they're they're making their own They're making these decisions and who is making these decisions that that that also could be definitely said they should say These are the rules right? I'm the person responsible for making that statement. What are the rules? Here's the thing They don't say this is what's weird about it. It's totally arbitrary There's no like written law that you have to follow There's no like oh you can't say cunt because if you say cunt, you know Play text doesn't want to advertise in your fucking video anymore. No, it's not that it's weird They don't tell you what the demonetize video is like when we get one. They don't say it's because you guys Talked bad about youtuber. No, they don't say shit It's it's fucking weird. Vimeo has never fucked with me in eight years YouTube fucks with me every day, right? But the thing about Vimeo is the difference in the numbers is so radical Like if we have a video that gets a million hits on YouTube, it'll get 20,000 on Vimeo