Joe Rogan & Dorian Yates on DMT and Ayahuasca

Hello freak bitches. Now speaking of smoking good stuff, how did you get, how did you find out about DMT? And how did you get involved? Because I read something about you having these positive DMT experiences. Wow, how strange is it reading about, you know, this massive bodybuilder now getting into psychedelic drugs? Well, and speaking openly about it. Yeah, first time I did Ayahuasca was in Brazil. I met my wife who was outside. She lived in Brazil. So we went out to the Amazon and this was like 10 years ago, you know, so people weren't really not like now. People know what Ayahuasca is because so much information out there yourself talking about. I'm talking about it. It's a ton of stuff on the Internet. It wasn't so much then, but I heard about it. And I heard about this. It's life changing experience and all that stuff. So we're out in Brazil and we got this guy and I asked him for Ayahuasca and he's like, bring me these two bottles of brown stuff. I don't even know to this day if it was really Ayahuasca, but I just got really sick and didn't see any great revelations apart from I got this thing in my head stop poisoning herself. But the night before I'd been out drinking, getting drunk and everything. So, you know, that was my experience with that. And a friend of mine out here in California, actually, I knew about DMT. I used to live in Amsterdam and like I read the DMT spirit molecule and all that stuff. So I knew about it, but I had no idea to get this stuff away. You can get it from and everything. So a friend of mine got it and that was my first experience of like leaving the room, so to speak. And then since then I had some very positive Ayahuasca experiences, but with a shaman and doing properly and preparing like five days of restricted diet and no sex and all these kind of things. You do to prepare and also afterwards. So DMT is like blow the fucking doors off your perception and realize that this world we're in is like, you know, it's nothing. It's just a little illusion, right? There's so much more outside of it. So there was that. But with the DMT, I think it's like you've got a computer with like so much storage space and you got is like a thousand times more than you can retain. So you see all this stuff and while you're there, you're like, I know everything. Yes. But when you come back, how much of it can you hold on to, you know? So you've seen it and that's like makes you look at everything differently. But the Ayahuasca is over hours. So I feel like from the Ayahuasca, I actually benefited more. It was like going through therapy or something because it was much slower and I could digest it, you know. So but doing it with the shaman, I did it with a guy called Guillermo Averello and he's one of the top guys in the world from Peru. He comes to Spain a couple of times a year. So I did it with him. And it's probably I don't know, it's probably two or three years since I did DMT because I sat down one day and I said, right. Actually, I fasted for two days before. So I'd be like just in the zone. I said, right. I'm going to sit down. I got my DMT here. I got my vaporizer here. I'm going to fucking smoke as much DMT as I possibly can to like, you know, to like go on and pass out. So I had that experience. And since then, I just I don't feel any need to do it. I don't think there's anything more I can take from it. I've had many people tell me the same thing. They had such a profound breakthrough experience that they're like, OK, I get it. I had a crazy one in around two. I want to say like two thousand eight or nine or something like that. And I took a long time off. I didn't do it again till like five years later, maybe. Yeah, that's pretty intense, man. I mean, the ayahuasca is nice because it comes in nice and subtle and you go through hours of this thing. But DMT is like last time I know you feel very anxious when you'd like like it's almost like you're leaving your body and you know, yeah. So you get that bit of anxiety. But once you go, once you go, it's cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. But have you done it more than one time in a day, like multiple times in a night? No, I just, you know, just blessed it as far as I could go. And that was it. I've done it several times over the course of a few hours. And, you know, you're more comfortable letting go that way in some sort of a strange way, but it never gets less alien. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to mention his name. I don't know his name, but we had an experience, me and my friend a few months ago that I've never seen before, because usually people take DMT. They're very calm and sit in a chair and you go off and you might start laughing. But, you know, you don't move much, right? And this guy, he just like freaked out, like it wasn't for 10 minutes or half an hour. My friend was a former MMA fighter used to fight with Shamrock. So he, you know, he had a wrestling technique. So we had to hold this guy on the floor to stop him from hurting himself because he was freaking out. So I could see the guy was going through some something traumatic from the past. So today I messaged him. I say, hey, did you ever find out what the guy? What was that? You know, because it was, he said, yeah, it was from his birth. What? He was from his birth. When he was born, he had the cord around his neck. Oh, Jesus. And he went back and he relived this. And like, so that had been in the back of his mind all his life. Subconscious, you know, subconscious has a huge effect on us, but we don't know it's there. So now he opened that box and let it out and it's gone now, you know. Wow. So it can be therapeutic. I thought this guy's like, wow, he's going to. But when it came back, he was like, hey, like, you're good. He's like, yeah, I'm good. I'm like, do you know what just happened? He's like, no, I said, good thing we filmed it then, man. Go home and watch this. I had a friend who freaked out too. He freaked out. He threw up, took his shirt off, was running around saying a bunch of crazy shit. And then after he came down, you know, we calmed him down and took like 10, 15 minutes. He goes, okay, well, obviously I'm a work in progress. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that statement. Did he know what it was that was troubling him so much? No. Well, he had a bad childhood for sure. Well, everything is like most of our shit is from there, right? Yeah. From the developing years. No, for sure. Yeah. I mean, especially like real traumatic ones, abuse, being beaten by his stepdad and a bunch of fucked up shit that was just haunting him. But, you know, helps you to come to terms with that, especially the IOS because it's longer. I felt like the first time I did IOS go properly with a shaman, I felt like I was a different person the next day. I felt it was like 20 years of fucking therapy or something. Just a lot of stuff. I worked out in my mind. I could even see other people's point of view on things and that I couldn't see before. That's huge, right? Seeing other people's point of view, especially a guy like you who's so determined and goal oriented and just cut out all the bullshit and get it done. It can be a little insensitive to other people's feelings around it because it's just like nothing, keep out my way. That's a male thing in particular anyway, right? And then add steroids on top of that and bodybuilding and intensity and competition and then being the best, arguably the best ever. And just fucking grinding every day. You have no time. My son said to me a couple of weeks ago, he's like, dad, you don't see yourself as other people see you. So what do you mean? He said, like, I remember when I was a kid, first of all, the size, you know, it was fucking huge, but it's your persona. You might have said to me something very like normal, like, you know, whatever. What are you doing with a dog? I said, I'll be like, because just your your your presence made me feel like that. You know, Brian, that's got to be weird. You're a little tiny kid and your dad's a gorilla. Yeah, I remember he did it. He did kickboxing, right? So he got his black belt when it was about 11 or something like that. And that was my thing. I used to take into kickboxing and pick him up. And it's like, dad, can you just can you wait outside? I'm like, what do you mean? They want me to come in and like, can you just wait outside? Like, don't want me to come. It's like, yeah, but everyone's like freaking out and looking at you and. Well, it's got to be nice. No, I'm fucking coming inside, man. Semi-anonymous in crowds now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, unless someone's a hardcore bodybuilding fan. Well, there's the thing. Not necessarily slow because because of the interview, as I did, on London Real and I talked about IOS and DMT and spirituality and reality and all this stuff. I get so many people coming up to me like they're not from the gym. I get housewives, young kids like it's almost like you're the guy from London Real. You're the guy that you know. So I got a whole bunch of other people that appreciate what I'm saying about spirituality, about reality and life. And they're like, fuck, man, what you said that really helped me. I got so many letters, emails and stuff. People, you know, like they just took something away from what I was saying. So I mean, that's that's really why I do these interviews. It's just trying to help the whole general vibe and, you know, put it out there. And there's a whole consciousness awakening revolution going on now. And I'm just want to push some dominoes, you know, and like create that effect. And then, you know, if you touch one person, they touch somebody else and it's like, you know, the butterfly wings flap here and the other side of the world is a, you know, tsunami or something. It does seem to be working in that in that regard. It is the time, man. It's the time. There's so many people that are more aware now than like 20 years ago. Isn't it kind of like, I mean, there's parallels to bodybuilding, right? When Arnold first started doing it, there was very little information for Harley and you guys got to see what they did. And build upon that and more information came out. And now because the Internet, there's so much information, almost too much information. People are aware more of what it's all about. Well, with psychedelics, I mean, 20, 30 years ago, there's so much ignorance and so little understanding of and also so little understanding, especially when it comes to something as extreme as DMT. There's still a giant percentage of our population doesn't even know what it is. Yeah, I mean, they should all take it, especially the fucking politicians. I like to get those politicians man, and fucking get them in a room and force them to take DMT and then see how they're going to behave afterwards. Yeah, how they're going to look at the world and treat people after they had that experience. I don't think it can be, you know, so self-centered and unfeeling as most of them are after you had that experience. I think that any breakthrough psychedelic experience, whether it's psilocybin or LSD or DMT, there's. They're all pretty much, you know, ego-dissolving road to the same place. Well, Terrence McKenna used to say that DMT is the center of the mandala. The way I describe DMT is it's like mushrooms times a million plus aliens. And then it just seems so titanically bizarre that there's like I've tried to describe it to people, but I always say, look, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to do it. Yeah, I'm going to give you some bullshit words. Yeah, you can't really do it because you can't have the words to put it into words. You know, you can attempt to go into this place. Well, it's not a place, but I don't have the word for it. The place is everywhere. It's like and there's colors, there's numbers, there's shapes and people things and there's like everything is all one fucking thing. What I noticed is like my breath was connected to it. I don't know how it happened. I was in the trip and I went like that and the whole thing moved. I was like, really? Let me try this then. And then the whole thing moved and then there was music playing and music was part of the thing as well. Yeah, like the thing. I don't even know what to call it. The thing, the place. I don't have a word, you know. We played a bunch of these shaman ikaros and the shaman ikaros, this is the last time I did it, and the shaman ikaros like literally made the DMT images dance. Yeah. Like they had figured out a way with these sounds and songs to integrate these beats into DMT trips and as you would take these trips, these shamans had figured out the right sounds and songs and how to make the trip more intense and sort of guided now. Sort of guided in a strange way. Well, that's what I had with the shaman with the ayahuasca. He comes around and he sings these ikaros and this like changes tone. And then it goes deeper base in his chest and it's like it's it becomes part of it, you know, and I was even moving involuntarily. I was my arms going up. My body was moving and it's like, I'm not doing this. I don't even know how it's happening. It's like somebody's picking my arms up and moving. I was, you know, started dancing around with this becoming part of this rhythm. Wow. I had experience once one of the first times I ever did DMT where I saw the difference between negative and positive thinking. Like I started thinking negative and there was all this like black and dark green like these threatening shapes and colors. And then something recognized what was going on in my brain that these shapes and images were connected to negative thinking. And I relaxed and the shapes kind of like settled down. And then I started thinking positive, like I heard all these like expressions of love, but like you're hearing it, but you're not really hearing it. It's like the thoughts are getting into your head. Like someone's trying to say it without using words. And then I started thinking positive and from those dark images blossomed these like beautiful like geometric flowers and colors and impossibly spectacularly beautiful images. And I was like, oh, and I recognized in my mind, there is an actual thing that happens when you think negatively and an actual it's not just some sort of an abstract idea. It's everything. You affect the program. You're in a program and your thoughts, the program's coming towards you and your thoughts are going and it's interacting with the program. And that's why conflict, like interpersonal conflict between people can be so negative. It's not just as simple as you and some person getting into an argument. It's those dark images and those negative forces becomes a part of your system. And I said exactly the same thing. So but it was almost like a tunnel. I was in this tunnel and it was the same thing as like, yeah, all these images around and scary and everything. And I was like, instinctively, I knew to be very relaxed. Yeah. And I started laughing like, fuck you. They're not even real. You're not even real. And when I said that, it went away and I just got this thing that came into my head. You've just been in the valley. What's it called? The Valley of the Shadow of Death. It's in the Lord's Prayer, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Though we walk through the Valley of the Shadow of the Death, it should fear no evil because God's by the side. Right. I vaguely remember it from school or something. But I got this thing that you were there and you're in the Valley of the Shadow of Death. And because you like, fuck, you would like, oh, it's not even real. It just it just disappeared. And then I went to somewhere really nice. Wow. Yeah. I just wonder how much is real. You know, it's such a hippie thing to say, like how much is real? I don't know. You know, I've been having these thoughts a lot lately. Like how much of how much of life do you manifest? How much of life is real? Because it's such a bullshit thing to think. It's such a hippie thing to think. And so many people that say that are so annoying. Yeah. But scientists are saying the same thing now. Quantum physicists are saying, I think it's the name is Professor Gates. I don't know if you're familiar with him. Professor Gates and he said that they've broken down reality into the smallest level and it's a computer code. Yes, I've seen that. Not only is it a computer code, it's a specific computer code of zeros and ones. And it was invented in the 1940s by somebody. Yeah. I've seen that guy being interviewed. We actually talked about it with Neil deGrasse Tyson. And he I tried to get him to sort of break it down and explain. But what it is is essentially that when you break reality down to the smallest level, it mimics a self-correcting computer code. Not just a computer code, but a computer code that's self-correcting. Which is right there. I just said a bunch of noises that I don't even understand. You know, it's gone beyond my... But now you're getting spirituality and science coming together because the scientists are saying what spiritual masters... Well, they're already telling us that we live in an illusion and everything is inside, not outside. They were saying that thousands of years ago. But some of it is real. Like you have to work hard or you don't get results. Right? Like your hard, fast, pragmatic reality of being the best bodybuilder in the world revolves around actual work, real results. In this reality, in this program. You need to do physical stuff. But also probably there was a lot of mental shit going on there too. Absolutely. The work was being done, but also there was probably a lot of... Thoughts all day. I mean, that's all I thought about. Literally all fucking day. So, you know, I had to have the physical goods to make it happen. I could dream about being a basketball player all day. Probably wouldn't help me because I'm not built to be a basketball player. But those thoughts were just going out all the time. And I was a kid in Birmingham, industrial city in England. And I was thinking I'm going to go to America and I'm going to be a bodybuilder. And everyone around me was like, fuck you talking. So, yeah, that was those thoughts all the time. So I think it's like a holographic program we're in. But we influenced it. We interact with it with our thoughts. That's kind of where I'm getting at now. Yes, in some way.