Joe Rogan Details Doug Stanhope's DMT Trip

Comedians have come on and talked about it. Is it just, I'm obviously asking you because I'm ignorant, is DMT, isn't that the chemical your body releases as you die? They think your body releases it as you die, but they don't really know. They know that your body makes it, they know that your liver makes it and your lungs make it, and they think that your pineal gland makes it, which is your third eye. And reptiles, it actually has a retina and a lens. Really? Yeah, the pineal gland, it sits in the center of your brain, it literally is your third eye. Like if you look at like a third eye in the Eastern mysticism, that's where the pineal gland is. And now they know that rats, while they're alive, produce DMT in the pineal gland. This is a new study that was done, I think this research was published over the last five or six years. So because of the fact that they know that now, they're assuming that human beings also produce it in the pineal gland, which would, you know, it kind of sort of verifies what everybody always thought the pineal gland is. They would call it the seed of the soul, that this is where your journey to the afterlife begins in the pineal gland, and that this chemical gateway opens up and your soul passes through to the great beyond. But can it be like a bad trip on the way out? Oh, yes. Oh, fuck. That's terrible. Yes, yes, yes. I've been with people who've had bad DMT trips. I was at Stanhope. I got Stanhope high on DMT, and I thought he was dying. He's at my house, and he's moaning and foaming at the mouth. He's like, I'd never seen anybody do that before. I'd see a bunch of people. Most people smoke DMT. They do this. They smoke it, and then they just go. And they lay back, and then this overwhelming experience happens to them for like 15 minutes, and then they come back. That's it. And they come back. Yeah, they don't move. It's not hours. No, no, no. It's a quick experience. Ayahuasca is an orally active experience with DMT. What ayahuasca is, if you tried to eat DMT, DMT is broken down in your gut by something called monoamine oxidase. So when they make ayahuasca, what they do is they take part of one plant, which has dimethyltryptamine, part of another plant, which has something called harmine, which is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor. MAO inhibitors, there's some in medications, and there's some, there's a bunch of, like, you got to be very careful if you're taking mushrooms or something else that you're not taking MAO inhibitors as well. But so you take this stuff together, and what it does is it gives you an orally active DMT trip. So as it's broken down by your gut, it's like a slow-release DMT trip that'll take several hours, as opposed to this fucking rocket ship ride to the center of the universe that you get when you take it, when you smoke it. Because when you smoke it, or intravenous use, if you, you know, go to a doctor who knows how to do that, that goes directly into your bloodstream, and it's just so, it is impossible to avoid. You cannot, you can't hang on. You're just, it's going to take you to the center of the fucking universe, and you're going to experience life forms and interaction with spirits and angels and aliens and jesters. For me, it was a bunch of gestures that were giving me the finger. It was great, giving me the finger. Like, fuck you. Like, it was very, very, very, very powerful. But the Stanhope one was the only time I ever saw someone where I thought they were going to die. And I was thinking, what if I kill one of my best friends? Like, what if I kill Stanhope? You know, I was like, I don't remember, I think I did it first, because I think he hadn't done it before, so I said, I'll do it, just watch me do it, and just sit down here, and then you do it next. So I did it, I'm gone, 15 minutes, come back, I'm like, you're ready? He's like, yeah, I don't mind, I'll never be. So I give it to him, and you know, Stanhope's been drinking since he was three. His body's loosely held together with duct tape. You know, Stanhope lies down, if he lies down and pushes his stomach out, he's got these, he's got these fucking, what is it called? No, not hemorrhoids, what is it called? Hernias. He's got hernias, his stomach will poke through the wall of his stomach, or his gut will poke through the wall of his abdomen. He's got a bunch of those, he's got them all over the place, just like this, they'll pop up, like, you're supposed to get those fixed. He's not picking anything up, he just keeps on trucking. And I've talked to him about this too, he's like one of those no MRI guys, nah, no doctors, no MRIs, I'm not gonna, I don't want to know what's going on in there. That's everyone dead in my family, by the way, that's why I go to doctor. Drinking, smoking, drinking. That's everybody. So, and this was more than ten years ago, this was probably 2002, while this was all going down. So me and Stanhope are on my couch, and he is moaning like this. So foam's coming out of the corner of his mouth, and he's like slumped over, and I'm just praying to, I'm like, please don't die, please don't, because I didn't expect this, I expected what everybody else, who I've seen maybe a handful of people do DMT, they all do the same thing. They smoke it, they lay back, they trip balls, they come back in 15 minutes, and they're like, what the fuck was that about? But he was, but then he came back, he's like, oh, life eats life. There's a constant cycle, it's like, it just goes on into the next thing, and then life goes on, and life's like, yes, I'm so far behind, I'm so far behind with my thinking, I'm so far behind with everything. And I'm just like, I'm just glad you're alive, dude. Yeah, no shit.