Joe Rogan | Cartels Like Trumps Border Wall w/Ed Calderon

And also what also what happened is that you know a lot of these people something that Americans kind of don't have don't get yet. This isn't a Mexican problem anymore specifically as far as the cartel of violence going on. A lot of these people have their kids up here in the US in the 90s. A lot of these cartel guys you know little Chappell has kids had kids in the US. And a lot of these people are now coming of age you know. So cartel influence in the US is a thing you're going to start seeing if you're already seeing it but you're going to see more of it because a lot of these people are actually American born US citizens. Now working in tandem with any sort of interest down there. So that's going to be the new shift you know. And you know people are sometimes kind of horrified by some of the stuff that I post up. Some of the cases down there. People can look up the Los Palillos gang in Southern California. There were an actual cartel group that would kidnap people in the US dressed as federal agents in the US and drag them back down to Mexico. Now this happened a few almost I think nine years back. This is happening in the US you know. It's not something foreign anymore. You know a lot of people want to think that you can build a wall and keep all that down. Don't get me wrong. Build that wall. I have nothing against it. But selling it as a security thing it's just I don't think it makes that much sense. And a lot of the parts where it is up, violence is rampant on both sides. But the argument would be that if the wall didn't exist then it would be too easy to come back and forth. At all spots. Yeah. It could. But again drug tunnels, catapults, drones. For drugs. But in terms of kidnapping people and a lot of other things you cut off at least some of the vehicle routes. Yeah I get it. I get it. And I think again I'm not against the wall. Build the wall. I interviewed a guy. I do articles for a few magazines and I interviewed a guy who's a coyote. Coyote. He moves people from the border. And he said this about the border. I asked him in the interview about the border wall. He said it's good for business. You know. You make something seem like it's harder when it isn't and it's good for business. Well so you say listen I can't get you over 3,000. It's got to be 5 now. It's tighter. Or fly him to Canada and they walk down. That was one of his new favorite methods. So. Northern United States probably got a lot of Mexicans now. The Canada border is hilarious. It's a path. It's a carved out 100 yard path. We put pictures of it up the other day. We're like look how hilarious this is. The difference between Mexico and Canada. Canada they make it easy to know where the border is. Just get across here. You'll be fine. Snow Mexicans. Yeah. It's really strange. Well I mean it's the amount of creativity and problem solving that goes on on the criminal side. If your best plan is a wall, a secure wall, these guys have been working against that best plan for the past 20 years. So they are already way ahead of the curve. You know in that regard. There was an interesting time in drone and people can look this up. Drone technology had an upsurge and innovation in Tijuana out of all places in the world for a time. Like why? That's funny. I wonder. And what they were doing with those. You