Joe Rogan & Candace Owens ARGUE Over Climate Change

Nightwalkers at the point, but well, I don't understand how you think that we we you're we're almost losing America And there's a battle for America. I really feel that like just in in every regard in terms of just just The people that were running like Hillary Clinton like this woman was a globalist like to think about who we were who we were in Bed with like Saudi Arabia selling all of our uranium to Russia like a bike Trump came in and was like no like America people We were the gap like we lost them Losing the middle class the gap between the rich and the poor was like literally what do you think is causing that? Policies shipping all of our jobs overseas the regulation the government getting bigger and bigger You can't do anything as an entrepreneur entrepreneur in America without a piece of paper from the government Discouraging people with this piece of paper like sending like shutting down the factories forgetting that there's something You know, there's a little land between New York and LA believe it or not Like you know, and this is what Trump understood we were losing that and and Trump appealed to that those people I'm still floored like as I'm traveling the world and seeing different pieces of the country I'm learning how ignorant I was like and that's the best thing in the entire world Just I fell victim to the idea that like it was progress. It was progress. It was progress We have to care about the environment. It was progress and it's like no like we've been losing America has been losing and Donald Trump Understood that and in a way that I didn't and I think we have to care about the environment Not even a little bit Not even a little bit. No, okay. Let me let me clarify this I don't throw trash on the ground like I'm not saying like we need to like, you know Trash the environment like but do I believe in climate change? No, you don't believe in climate change No, I think the climate always changes. I guess is what I say. Do I believe that this is like, you know an issue that Is being that is fatal global warming which they've changed I mean, they got rid of the word one scientist started disproving it now based only say climate climate change Now I think that that was just a way to extract dollars from Americans. I don't at all believe they had no action to a plan It was great for Trump to gather that deal was terrible. Okay, but this is an incredibly complicated Subject right and if you would have to talk to a bunch of different scientists and see how they gather data And see what they understand about co2 levels and what's the danger of them and what can combat it? What could not have you done all this? Flippant opinion This wouldn't be the hill I died on right, but it's not about the part I just genuinely I've read a ton about it But I would not be able to I would not be able to come to you and say like this is my strong opinion But here's like the easiest way to say this right the fact that there is a disparity in the science community about whether or not It's real is enough to very little very little disparity most most most scientists most the vast majority Agree that human beings are negatively affecting climate change. Yeah the vast majority Yeah, I don't I just I just don't think so you so you think that the very few scientists that disagree with Consensus are the ones that are correct. Well, I think if something is it's it's either subjective or it's objective and there are objective truths Right, but it's subjective if you're saying that there are some I don't think there's very little There are some that don't get paid to go on TV Then some that are not Bill Nye who are not funded scientists and that has been a whole well Bill Nye's not a scientist He's not he's a science Gantas, but that's the point now. This is not a good word He's not but Bill Nye is like a science influencer or a science entertainer Yeah, he's like he doesn't have a background in actual science. He's not a scientist. He's never PhD I learned about everything Well, he promotes science and science is not bad. Yeah, the real problem is with climate change is that With for sure there has been ups and downs throughout the history of this planet. They're observable They've they follow them in we was one of the subjects that I had earlier today with Dr. Robert shock in 2014 the vast majority 87% of scientists said that human activity is driving global warming yet only half the American public public ascribed to that view So what website 87% and this is scientific American? Yeah. Yeah calm though Like that means it's making money. I don't trust that if it was a dot org I would probably take that but that this is just a random website and American is not necessarily a random website. Yeah, I don't I don't believe this like at all. Just so you know You don't believe it like I genuinely I genuinely don't believe I know you do but I genuinely don't believe it. I believe Time the consensus of scientists that are studying the data Right and so what they're doing is but you remember all of the stories that came out about the scientists that said that when they Tried to present their evidence to show like they were basically just getting shut down at every corner You can pull that up to like scientists look up. I guess look up the opposite Right instead of instead of looking for what you're not looking for. I didn't search for it. That's what I found when I Sorry, yeah, yeah, look up but this is my question. Why are you so sure this is a Extremely complicated subject and it is I Said I am NOT so sure that I would die on the hill for it my opinion right now and It's just that it was a means because forget the fact of whether you believe global warming is real Let's say it's 100% real. Let's say we know the fact. It's real. Is there well, let's let's be clear Yeah, global warming global climate change is definitely real It's happening. Well, the question is why it's happened. Yes, it has always happened. So what what are we what is the climate change? Yes, the climate changes. It was different weather yesterday than it was today The climate is forever changing like that. That's the problem is that people are making it seem like that's something weird No, that's not you're misrepresenting the issue The issue is people think that human beings are exacerbating climate change to the point where there's a there's a tipping point We cross over that tipping point We're gonna deal with huge problems that could be corrected if we act now and put a lot of funding into climate control Okay, this is what Howard Bloom was on talking about a few days ago he was talking about that the real future involves the technology of climate control and that what we have to be really careful of is Letting it get too far where you can't ever stop it and pull it back. This is what scientists are warning about This is why they want emission standards This is why they want to figure out how to get people to be aware of the fact. This is a real issue now irregardless Human beings if they never existed the earth has constantly gone through cycles The question is not whether or not the earth has gone through cycles of cooling and warming The question is are we exacerbating that the vast majority of scientists say we are okay now this could in This could negatively impact all sorts of coastal cities. This could be a gigantic problem. This is not like propaganda that's drummed up by some sort of big business that seeks to make money off of this or some sort of Al Gore might have made some money off That we were in they were they were that was like the amount of money that America was losing But here's what I was gonna ask you so let's just the amount of money America was losing Paris agreement this is the reason why we want to get the Paris agreement is but that's why I wanted to get to Let's say we all agree that global warming is real. I don't believe it's real. Okay, so I can't But why have a belief? What do you mean? Why have a belief as to whether or not global warming is real or not real because I just You're correct, but why have a belief in it, right? So it's not a belief. It's not a belief in I don't believe in it But you have a belief that it doesn't exist right I know I Personally think that this was just the next the fact that it was presented to us by Al Gore and it's just it was not It's not presented to us by just by Al Gore Al Gore made of a film right and he's been called like the first green billionaire He's made a shitload of money off any flies in his private plane because he's so worried about the emissions. Okay, that is hilarious Yeah, there's something hilarious about all of the people that are telling us a fucking politician, right? There's grossness to all that stuff, right? And that's what worries me. So my question is let's say that it's real Okay, let's just assume like if that's the best way to say it's real. Let's say it's 100% okay Do you feel that you have found in your research that there is something that human beings can do that would change this all around? That's possible. Yes One of the things that they're figuring out how to pull carbon out of the atmosphere and even even possibly reuse it There's there's all sorts of things that people are trying to do. I mean we had What was the young man who made that device boy on boy on slot? He figured out a way to make this device that pulls plastic out of the oceans. They're figuring out a way That's important. Yeah, there's a lot of well pluckus plastic just can't like over time But that's what I mean Like so when I say that I'm like and like I believe in recycling like I'm not like a person that's like this is Oh, but the idea that the government is just gonna take trillions of dollars because we're in some agreement where we're all agreeing that We should do something is is useless and and look from the stuff like there's obviously a lot of debate here And as I said, like I'm not so at the one thing you always find with me is I'll never pretend to be so educated Something like I'm not going on a college campus is talking about global warming. I don't do that, right? But why are you saying that you don't I just I just I don't know maybe because it got here does Because it got so politicized studies into scientific agreement on human caused global warming and look at all the studies it's between a 100% and 91% at the lowest 91% of one of the studies from 2014 It's the Union of Concerned Scientists. Yeah, they almost it's it's a pretty broad consensus Who do they who do who are they? Polling is it the people that are a part of this Question that's what I'm asking Numbers can 306 scientists to confirm over 97 percent of climate scientists agree And over 97 percent of the scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans So my question to you is if you want to step outside of the scientific consensus, right which is vast and involves 10,000 306 scientists and just say I don't believe in it Yeah, even if you're right, even if you're right, you don't have enough information to say that right? That's what I said, but that's what you're saying. You don't believe it Yeah, I would have to have someone sit down and convince me that it was real. I personally don't believe it That's okay. Why it's good to start at a place. I'm not believing something. No, it's not you think you should start with believing everything No, it's not believe either or not believe. Yes not believe no. Yeah, but don't say you don't believe yeah I learn about it. Yeah, learn about it and then have an opinion But you're stating this opinion without having any real understanding of what climate science is But that's that's exactly what an opinion is I'm not going like I said if you said that kenis you went on to 10,000 college campuses and you said that global war wasn't real Then we'd have a problem you and I just have a conversation Yeah, but why have an opinion on something that you don't have data about this is my question Yeah, I don't necessarily have an opinion on climate science. I really don't yes I don't know much about it But what I do know is that what I've read is that the vast majority of people who study it or in agreement that human beings Are affecting it? I don't I just my recall on a lot of things that I read and this was a while ago So this is why where I when I first formed my opinion. I'm not believing this I read a shit ton of articles can't recall the data because like I said This wasn't something I was super passionate about it was like somebody posted something and then I went on like a terror reading about it But it was essentially just noting that in a lot of these studies like when you go and you if we had time Sit down and really pull this up. They're pulling, you know 10,000 scientists that are within a community that is fun Like these that works do you believe and everything that media mattered media matters org puts out for statistics, right? That's a political that's a political arm of the Democratic talking about different subject. I know but this is what I know But I'm just politics. Yeah versus science, but this has been politicized. That's the science has been put yes It has global warming in particular has been politicized 100% it has been politicized, right? That's the whole reason I fell down this dark hole one night reading about it and I didn't I was like I really care it has been politicized I think that's also maybe why you're saying you don't agree with it so quickly right because it's an ideal I read it's an ideological right-wing point right is that global warming isn't real, right? If you're one of those people that things global warming isn't real you're almost always on the right, right? And that's fine But I'm telling you that like again I Didn't do a deep dive on all of this because I I read about it because it was at a forefront of discussion So I read about it all night and my conclusion was that they started pulling up all of these studies on the person that you Know did this that I did a deep dive on and they started showing how like these community of scientists were in fact somewhere behind That org is someone that was being funded So to me the issue got too politicized for me to to believe that global warming was something that was going to Wipe out the world now scientists get funded that is a fact Yes But that doesn't mean that the funding affects the scientific research and the data which they all agree on and this is universally across the entire planet Thousands and thousands of scientists would not stake their reputation on false data What what they're saying is not that the only reason why the world is getting warm is because human beings that the only reason why? The climate isn't totally static for the rest of eternity because of human beings what they're saying is we are negatively impacting our own environment and we're doing it because existing we And we use coal and fossil fuels and emissions and we're raising our co2 levels and this is based on data Yeah And this is this is something that you can look at you could look at the data and and and follow where they're getting this Information from and follow how they're making these conclusions and follow the vast majority of these Exactly and if look if I was a person that was putting forth policy on climate change or if I was a person that Put out my opinion publicly on Paul on on climate change. I would do all of that. I'm just not I understand What you're saying, but what I'm saying is that you are a very smart person and people listen to you And they're going to listen to you for a long time You don't have to have a foreign opinion everything what you do have to have is The ability to know when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about I just said that I said that you didn't I Yeah, I don't believe it and then you asked me and I said this wouldn't be the hill I chose to die on because I don't I don't why they say you don't believe in it Because I just personally if you not have a belief until you say you really okay So you would prefer if my language as opposed to admitting that I do not know this I wouldn't I miss So I've never made it be I've never made a public statement You would have preferred if I had just started by saying I have no I have no opinion. No, I don't know Okay, that's what I'm saying. You say I didn't know you say I don't believe in it. Yeah, I don't believe it You're saying really clearly you don't think it's real. Yeah, so I mean I think it would be the same if I said to you Like you know Do you believe in God? Right. No, I would say I don't know you would say so if that's this I feel like this is sort of like linguistics No, I would say I don't know. I always say I don't know Most people say like I believe I believe it or I don't right so it's like if you say a lot of people say they Don't know okay. I think believe is definitely where that's so shaped with God, but right I don't know In God and then somebody starts saying oh you need to form it's like just I just don't know you don't because God is not Scientific data right there's a big difference between measuring the co2 levels in the atmosphere and and the deciding whether or not there's an afterlife Right. I just I I'm sorry that I just don't believe I don't believe in global warming. I'm happy to for allowed to not believe I that's all I've been trying to say so don't even if I had not an influencer We have but you're a very bright person I would if somebody had asked me like at a place where I'm influencing on a college campus. What's your opinion? I would say I have none. I bet you would say I don't believe in it What you just did that is absolutely not what you just do we there are so many Instances where you could watch it's just like and you can ask Dave Rubin when he asks me a question I say I don't have any opinion about a different subject But yeah, because you and I are having a conversation one-on-one I'm not I'm not sitting here to try to I don't go on campus talking about global warming because I do I don't have an opinion on it But if you press me and ask me if I believe in it No, I don't really believe in it, but could I go deep dive in and and learn that perhaps I'm wrong sure I personally am inclined to believe that a lot of those studies are manipulated As I said during the one night that I did deep dive on it when they showed like all the pieces of that You know of evidence or whatever. It just seemed a little shady I felt that it was politicized But I think I have a right to say that I don't believe in something But I that I also don't know and that's what I said to you I don't believe in it, but I wouldn't die in this hill. I don't know enough about it I don't say you wouldn't die in this hill what but you also said you don't believe in it And you stated the reason why because you think it's a scam yeah, yeah, that's the truth What do you want me to lie to you? It's okay, but I'm not sitting here saying like a good issue. It's very very complicated Okay, that's fine, but I what do you want me to lie to you and say I'm not a politician you want me to You should the correct term like that. I feel like this is like the editing of people do like when they're like oh Obama if they ask you question you don't know this is the way I'm not running for office. I'm answering I'm talking to you I don't believe in it. I appreciate that I appreciate you. I can't be fake I died this is my number one problem in life is I can't be fake And I know that you're pressing me and that you want me to adjust and to say like I don't I do not have an opinion Or the epic I'm not like a politician. I'm telling you. I don't believe in it could I could I change my perspective? If you were just a regular person you said I don't believe in it I'd probably go all right the problem is you're not you're you're you're a very influential I'm aware when I'm on stage when I'm on my youtube channel you there's no videos of Canada someone's talking about global warming I'm aware of that there is now Now it's gonna be I just yeah, exactly Funny though is that like it this feels so like we're not on the internet right now That's like I still don't see like we're on the internet. This is the problem Yeah, but like if we were if you and I were on a college campus, I'd be like yeah Yeah, I'm not really sure I don't have them for my discussion I don't know jack shit about global warming I really don't yeah I think with the real fear is not even global war the real fear is global cooling the ice age is the most terrifying thing That can happen to human beings. Yeah, that shit happens everybody dies. Yeah, I know global warming you just move inland Yeah, I think that the real thing that people are concerned about is like just beyond any of that stuff I don't know I think that there's like more concerns in society like I I personally think that Some scientists are talking about global warming and it got politicized They figured it was another way to extract human beings money because of fear. That's my opinion I think there's probably some truth to that There's definitely we're gonna find our core scientists that agree with everything we say if it's improving that Harvard studies have been incorrect because they were being funded By certain, you know political interest groups, so I'm not inclined to pull up something on and I'm blanking it'll come back to me in a second But there were Harvard papers that have been funded by certain researchers that are trying to get a certain political position out and it causes Mass-fear people are willing to spend their money a certain way entirely possible. It is but it's really that's very real people are flawed So I'm not inclined when someone pulls up an article and says look a 10,000 scientists. I err on the side of okay I don't know those scientists are I don't know what this organization is funded by so I'm gonna stick by my guns and say I don't Really believe in it yet now if I decide that I'm gonna run for office and I've got to make a decision on on the atmosphere And and what we're gonna do about global warming and co2 missions. You better believe I will be fully ready to discuss it I'm not gonna make a YouTube video and just know the outskirts of it I don't do that right, but if you and I having discussion sorry. I don't believe it like I don't know what to say I Would say I'm learning okay open to learn. I'm always open to learning. I've I've been wrong before I was a liberal two years ago You know or three years ago, so that's that's not a problem. I'm open to learning, but I'm not gonna like Pretend like say something that feels inauthentic and what I wanted to say there was I don't believe in it It's just one of those things that it's become. It's a real right-wing talking point