Joe Rogan & Billy Corgan on Chicago Gang Violence

Hello freak bitches. So organized is like yeah because it's run by you know kapos all over the city you know every ward had its kapo and yes Chicago has this uniquely violent history and even to this day you mean with what's going on the south side with all the gang violence. It's shocking to me as somebody who was born in Chicago I still live in Chicago that it's just like we've normalized this insane violence in this community. Well people don't even realize I think most people have no idea how much gun violence goes on in Chicago. I heard the other day I could be wrong and I'm sure he can find but I think somebody said the other day there's been 3,700 shootings in Chicago already this year and I think we're already over 600 gun fatalities and this is like every year now. Wow. I mean I just and even Trump at some point floated out like maybe they should bring the National Guard. I wish they would do something. It's just such a this generational tragedy that just keeps going and nothing seems to happen. Yeah and it seems to have a lot of momentum behind it like the murders they make people have revenge murders and then it just piles on top of each other and it doesn't seem like there's any stopping it in sight. Well here's the thing and you know this is the classic tale now it was reported the other day that the car jackings in Chicago have gone up like 200 percent and now those car jackings are filtering into the nice neighborhoods. So now you're going to start seeing some action because now it's now it's blowing up past the sort of you know I mean look at that. The shot clock. A person is shot every two minutes and 20 seconds. A person is murdered every 12 hours. Oh two hours and 20 minutes. A person is murdered every 12 hours and 23 minutes. That's a lot. Wow. I miss my home and I just you know. I have a guy that I met when I was down there he's a driver he drove us around and he was saying that he used to be a cop and that what happened was they arrested some of the top level drug dealers. I've heard this exact same story. And as soon as they did that there became this power vacuum. Yeah for years I got a little inside information for years what I'd heard is that they had this sort of like as long as you stay on this side of the street we'll kind of you know we'll look the other way for this but you got to keep your people in line over here. Right. And I know enough people in the PD that that was sort of the general understanding. Like even like I remember one time because I knew somebody worked in the in the in like the gang task force I was like how come there's always whores on the bridge on Friday night like don't you guys see the 50 whores on the bridge and they said no we that's where we tell all the whores to go so we can protect them. We'd rather have them there so we can keep an eye on them and we we know it's going to happen anyway so better we control it. Right. So that was the way Chicago sort of operated was like we'll tolerate crime up to this level and twice a year we'll run everybody in just to kind of make the make it look good in the paper. And then apparently whatever they did that created this power vacuum that's just what I've heard. I don't know. Well this guy was a former cop and the way he was describing it was pretty absolute. He's like they made a mistake. This solution that you were saying of like kind of like saying hey keep it over here or keep it under wraps and we'll arrest a certain amount of people. It sounds like maybe that's the only way to manage it. Well the one thing I do I have heard from people that are in those communities is that literally the the and this maybe supports what you're saying is that the the power divisions are like block to block. So it's almost like an insurgency where it's like two blocks versus two blocks versus one block versus three blocks. So literally if you're walking on the wrong side of the street it's not even like neighborhood to neighborhood it's like block to block. Yeah. Which is crazy. And just growing up in that neighborhood having that be your normal as a child and then you know growing into adulthood around that and having just used to people getting shot used to shooting people. You I mean if there's that many people getting shot and that many gunshots going off everybody must be common. I mean it must be common everyone. Yeah I don't know it's just crazy. It's just heartbreaking. It's such a unique town too. It's an amazing city. It really is. Yeah I mean we we have this weird bare knuckle history. Yeah. And it's still there you know no no amount of yuppies moving in has changed this sort of working class sort of ethos.