Joe Rogan & Ben Shapiro on the Mueller Report/Russiagate - "They Blew It!!"

Well, the disingenuous media that's being less and less taken seriously, taken less and less seriously, it seems to me that that trend, which is a common trend that's existed for the last few years of these clickbaity bullshit articles and mislabeling people, it's going to go away. Because your perspective is not going to be appreciated. It's not going to be respected if you're obviously making disingenuous statements like that. And I think we're in this weird position where it's very difficult to find real journalism and real objective takes on things that aren't flavored by their ideology. And everybody's trying to shape everybody, and they feel like it's their obligation. They feel – there's many people that write things that feel like it's their obligation to change your perspective on national subjects and things that are important to us. It's not their obligation to just report what's going on, but also their obligation to flavor things in a way that will make one side look favorable to the other. Yeah, well, I'm very much in favor of journalists revealing their biases. I think that the greatest line in media is that objective journalism is a thing. So I'm conservative. You want to go to my site? You'll get a conservative spin on the news. That's the way it's going to work. And guess what? CNN is liberal, and they are going to give you the liberal spin on the news, and that's just the way this is going to work. Did you see the video when the Mueller report came out and they looked like somebody got killed? It was crazy. It shouldn't be happy. Shouldn't you be happy? If you guys believed in Mueller, everybody was like, Mueller is the fucking man. He's going to go get Trump. This guy is methodical. He's precise. He's going to find out everything. Vote of candles with his face on them that they could like bird. They were pumped. Yeah, and then he came out, and it was like, well, no collusion. Everybody's like, well, I guess that now it's a cover-up. Yeah. Like, what? Wait a minute. Yeah, maybe the narrative has – maybe the narrative has trumped the actual job you were supposed to do, guys. Well, it's just so many people were so convinced, and there were so many people that were making statements that in retrospect are probably – like, you could probably – I mean, I don't want to say – I'm not a litigious person. But if I was a guy like Donald Trump – Oh, man. Yeah. There's so many people to sue. It was amazing. I mean, I remember I was on Bill Maher's show, and we were supposed to talk about free speech stuff, and like five minutes before, and he's like, let's talk about Russia, as producer came in. Let's talk about Russia. And I was like, okay, fine. So we get on – Did the producers say that? Yeah, this is like right before they switch the topic. How goofy are TV shows where they just tell you what you have to talk about? I don't know. It's – Some guy comes in with a clipboard. Yeah. It was a little bit – it was a little bit strange. And we got on stage, and he's talking about Trump-Russia collusion. And I said what I've always said, which is, I'll wait for the evidence to come out, and then I will make a decision as to whether Trump-Russia collusion was a thing. And Bill Maher's like – You're radical. I know. And Bill Maher goes, you don't believe it was a thing? And I was like, well, I don't see any evidence yet that it was a thing. Like, I see some evidence of attempts to collude, like Don Jr. I see some attempts of people trying to get information. But I don't see evidence of like actual legal collusion, and why don't we just wait? Like, you guys keep wanting Mueller to give us – like, let's just wait on it. And Maher could not believe that this was my perspective, right? It was like shocking to him. Why should the perspective, I'm waiting for more evidence, be shocking to anyone when it is obvious the evidence is not out? Why is that in any way controversial? It's bewildering to me. Well, it's because people have this need to let everyone know that they're on the right side, and they want you to know that they do believe in the collusion. They disagree with that for whatever reason. You must either be a right-wing person, a Trump supporter, someone who's in denial, someone who doesn't look at the evidence, and you're a part of the problem. But the real problem was jumping to conclusions. There obviously seemed to be some attempts. There's obviously some fuckery with that IRA company, the internet research agency that is responsible for millions of interactions with people online where they pretended to be different supporters. The trolls and all this, yeah. They caused conflict, like constant conflict in regards to political opinion. That's all real. That was a coordinated effort to try to change people's opinions. But how much of that had to do with Donald Trump? How much did he ask for? You got no evidence. Also, I was always bewildered by this theory. Like, did you watch that campaign? That was not the most well-coordinated campaign. It was chaos. It was chaos. I mean, I knew everybody who was in the campaign. Like, it was a shit show. And the idea that they're sitting there, but when the mass comes off at night, they call up Vladimir Putin, and they put together a point-by-point plan on how they're going to swing this particular precinct in rural Michigan. It's like, what are you – are you guys high? Like, what are you talking about? Like, if you could attribute this to – here's a good rule of thumb for politics. Attribute everything to stupidity unless you can prove malice. The real problem – and this is something that is very similar to what we were talking about earlier. When you say something and you say it over and over and over again, and you say it with such conviction, and it becomes a giant part of your news narrative, and then that something turns out to be horseshit. You just massively empowered Trump. That's exactly right. I mean, I've said for a long time that I'm not a big fan of Trump's fake news shtick because I think he applies it too broadly. Whenever there's a bad piece of news, he's like, fake news. And it's like, well, sometimes yes and sometimes no. But now that you just blew a two-year narrative where he was clearly in Putin's pocket, how many people are you thinking of listening to the nuanced view of fake news now? And how many people do you think are going to actually believe Trump when he says that a bad piece of news is legitimately a fake piece of news? Yeah, it empowers him in a spectacular manner. They made a giant mistake. Oh, yeah. They blew this one in spectacular fashion. And people are still hanging in there with it. This is true for so many people right now. All you have to do is not be crazy. Just stop it. Who was the guy that was talking about the possibility that Trump has been a Russian asset since like 1987 or some shit? I mean, Andrew McCabe, the former FBI director, was asked whether Trump was legitimately a Russian asset, and he's like, I don't know. It's like you're using the power of the institution you used to run to spread this nonsense. And you got that from John Brennan. You got it from James Clapper. These are all former heads of the intelligence agencies. It just makes me think the intelligence agencies need to be wildly curved back if these were the heads of them. I mean, if like the heads of the intelligence agencies are using their platform to proclaim that they have inside information about Trump that turns out to be utter nonsense, I'm not sure these people should have that much power to like check that phone call. Is that what he's saying or is he saying he doesn't know? He didn't say. I don't know. He was saying like I have basically – I expect that Mueller is going to indict as a former intelligence professional. I expect that – yeah, there was a lot of that. It was ugly. Adam Schiff on the intel committee doing the same thing. It's crazy now because like what do they do now? Like how do they rebound from this? If this is something that you didn't just say once, this is something you said for two years. Right. You've seen the compilation videos. Oh, yeah. They're hilarious. They're amazing. They're right. They've done them to rap music. They're like – they've put a beat behind it. Have you seen it? No, I haven't. Oh, there's some great ones, some great – there's compilations of people saying possible collusion, possible collusion, possible – Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's music that goes with it and they just cut to possible collusion with the Russians, possible Russian collusion, possible Russian collusion. It's – yeah, they blew it in a major way. Yeah, I mean there's plenty of shit to complain about. You didn't have to go with that. Like the idea was that he was a traitor. He's a target rich environment and you decided to go to – he's a Russian traitor. Like it's no way out or something. And Kevin Costner is the last scene. The only way he could have ever beaten Hillary.