Joe Rogan Asks Matt Taibbi if Donald Trump is on Speed

You know, look, I'm kind of all for that. I mean, I've seen this with politicians on the campaign trail. Like they are so tight now in ways that they used to not be. Well, you saw the Donald Trump thing, Donald Trump Jr. where Trump Jr. What they didn't want him to do, they wanted him to do a Q&A and he didn't want to do it. So they booed him. The right wing people were booing him. They're yelling out Q&A, Q&A, because they wanted to be able to talk. Oh, I see. They wanted to be able to say something to him. And these were people that were like far right, far right people. They just didn't think he was being right enough or he was playing the game wrong or he wasn't wasn't letting them complain to him. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Now that's bad. And politicians are aware of that now and they're constantly aware that they're on film everywhere. And so they're, you know, a thousand percent less interesting because they're there. I mean, I remember recovering campaign in 2004 and I saw Dennis Kucinich give a speech somewhere and he was going from, I think, Maine to New Hampshire and I said, well, can I get a ride back to New Hampshire? He's like, yeah, sure. So he takes me on the van. He like takes his shoes off. He's like cracking jokes and everything and like eating udon noodles or something. Political candidates would not do that now. Like they'd be afraid to be off the record with you. Right. Right. Right. And they're afraid to be around people and just behave like people, you know, which is not good. I don't think it's the weirdest time ever to be a politician because it's basically you've got this one guy who made it through being hugely flawed and just going, ah, fucking locker room talk. And everyone's like, well, yeah, it is locker room talk, I guess. And then it works and he gets through and he wins. And so you've got him who seems like he's so greasy, like nothing sticks to him. And then you have everyone else who's terrified of any slight misstep. Yeah, totally. And you can't replicate the way Trump does this. You know, Trump is, he was born this way. There's like a thing going on in his head. Like he is, you know, pathologically driven to behave in a certain way and he's not going to be cowed by the way, you know, people are of a social, because he just doesn't think that way. No, he's, and but that's, no one else is going to behave like that. What do you think about him and speed? What do you think about all that? Does he take speed? You mean? Yeah. So did you ever see his speech after Super Tuesday? Yeah, that's the one where he was slurry. He was, that was the one where he's ramped up. He was very, I just say, watch that speech. You know, we're not supposed to draw conclusions about, but you know what, maybe you're going a lot of pharmaceutical with somebody, but I would say just watch. Donald Trump's performance after the results of the Super Tuesday rolled in in 2016. Let's hear some of that. First of all, the Chris Christie is hilarious. Watch Hillary's speech and she's talking about wages have been poor and everything's poor and everything's doing badly, but we're going to make it. She's been there for so long. I mean, if she hasn't straightened it out by now, she's not going to straighten it out in the next four years. It's just going to become worse and worse. She wants to make America whole again. And I'm trying to figure out what is that all about? Yeah, I mean, it's just, I have to go back and look, but yeah, but he went on and on. Also the Christie factor was really funny with that because he was just sitting back there going, what am I doing? What am I doing with my life? Look at his face. Literally you could see his brain wander. Well, how the fuck did this happen? I was going to be the man. Like I was the goddamn president. It was going to happen for me. I could see it happening. I saw him in Ames, Iowa, basically standing alone in a park waiting for people to try to shake his hand. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Like you see that. And, but yeah, do you have a theory about Trump and speed? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's on some stuff. I think first of all, I know so many journalists that are on speed. I know so many people that are on Adderall and it's very effective. It gives you confidence. It gives you a delusional perspective. You get a delusional state of confidence. It makes people think they can do anything. It's basically a low level meth. It's very similar to methamphetamine chemically. Sure. And people on it, tell me what it's like because I haven't done it. Yeah. I mean, I have done speed too. I mean, you know, all those, all those drugs are, yeah, they're like baby, baby speed basically. Yeah. You know, and you're, you're absolutely right. I think people who it's not good for a writer because writing is one of these things where one of the most important things is being able to step back and, and and ask, am I really, am I full of shit here? Is, you know, are my jokes as funny as I think they are? Like, if once that mechanism starts to go wrong, you know, you're really lost as a writer, right? Because you're just, you're not in front of an audience. You're with yourself in front of a computer. So, um, I don't think, I don't think speed is a great drug. I mean, you get a lot of stuff done. Um, so that's, that's good, but, uh, but yeah, no, I think there's a lot of people who are on it now. And also a lot of this because kids come up through school and they're on it too, you know, and they, they get used to it. So I, you know, I have kids, I wouldn't dream of giving, giving them any of those drugs. You know, I think it's crazy. Yeah. I did too. Did you see, you saw the, I'm sure you saw the Sudafed picture too, right? No, what was that? Trump was sitting in his office eating a, it was that famous photo where he's like, I love Hispanics where he's eating a taco bowl and Trump tower and behind him, there's an open drawer and in that open drawer is boxes of Sudafed. And, um, Sudafed gives you, yeah, I mean, you, it gives you a low level buzz and the, the, I mean, this is why you used to have to go to a CVS to buy this stuff. You still have to give your drivers. I guess you still do. You have to give your driver's license because they want to make sure you're not cooking meth and buying like 10 boxes of it at a time and cooking up a batch. Yeah. If you're like in a, in a, in a holler in Kentucky and you go in and get 20, 20 boxes of Sudafed, I think pretty much people know what you're doing there. Yeah. That's really funny. Did he, so he had a bunch of Sudafed behind him. Yeah. In his box. And, you know, there was that one reporter that, uh, what was that guy's name again? Who had a whole, he wrote a series of tweets, which he eventually wound up taking down by the way, Jamie, I can't find those fucking tweets. Um, he wrote a series of tweets that there was a very specific Dwayne Reed pharmacy where Trump got, uh, amphetamines for, uh, something that was in quotes called a metabolic disorder. Kurt Eichenwald, fun fact, 1982, Trump started taking amphetamine derivatives, abused them, only supposed to take two for 25 days, stayed on him for eight years. Really. Now, is he full of shit? So yeah, Kurt Eichenwald is an interesting because he's written some really good books about finance. Um, he wrote, he wrote a book by then Ron, he wrote a book about, um, uh, Prudential. It was really, really good. Uh, then when I was starting out writing on Wall Street, I was like, wow, these books are really incredibly well researched, but he had some stuff in the, uh, in 2016 where. Like that's an example of something as a reporter. I see that and like, well, where's that coming from? You know, and cause you, you, in journalism, you can't really, uh, accuse somebody of certain things unless it's backed up to the nth degree. So he had a couple of things that I, that I, you know, would be concerned about. He took a leap. I don't know. I mean, look, that's what I'm saying stepped outside of the journalistic boundaries of what you can absolutely prove and not prove and took a leap. And that's why I think he took down the Dweid Reed pharmacy. He didn't take it down. Oh, it's still there as well. There was an, okay. There it is. There was another thing about a, um, Oh, he's got the milligrams per day. Wow. Where's this from? The, I don't know. He doesn't show it or anything, but I believe he, drug is copy of it from someone or he talked to the doctor or drug was diethyl propane, 75 milligrams a day, prescription filled Dweid Reed on 57th street in Manhattan. Not that I know things. So, you know, he's got the doctor's name too. Dr. Joseph Greenberg. I, uh, counted with medical records. A white house admitted to me only a short time for diet that he took it when he was not. Well, okay. Then that's fun. He says I counted with medical records. They cut me off. Wow. Yeah. I mean, you know, one thing I will say is that when you're, when you're covering stories, sometimes, um, you hear things and, and you know, they're pretty solid, but you put you, it's not quite reportable because the person won't put their name on it. Or, you know, you're not a hundred percent sure that the document is a real document. Maybe it's a photocopy and that, that can be very, very tough for reporters because they know something's true, but they, they can't, they can't and social media has eliminated a barrier that we used to have. We used to have to go through editors and fact checkers and now you know, you're on Twitter. You can just kind of, you know, right? Right. Right. Or you can hint at something, you know, and I think that's, that's something you don't want to get into as, as a reporter too much, you know. Yeah. That's a weird use of social media, right? It's like sort of a slippery escape from journalistic rules. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, or, or you can, you can insinuate that somebody did X, Y, and Z, or you can, you can use terms that are a little bit sloppy, like, you know, again, like, But it seems like they did admit that he took that stuff for a diet. Yeah. So if you have the, the White House, you know, spokesperson saying that they, he took it for a short time for a diet, then you find that's a reportable story. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think when people get into that shit, it's very hard for them to get out of that shit. Mm-hmm. That's the speed train. And I've seen many people hop on it. It's got a lot of stops. Nobody seems to get off. Yeah. Not, not with their teeth intact. Right. Yeah. No, it's, uh, that's, that's not a good, good way to end. Oh, so he's so old. He's so old. He doesn't exercise. He eats fast food and he's got so much fucking energy. I mean, people want to think he's this super person, you know, but maybe he's on speed. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe he's just going to collapse, turn over and collapse one day. Or not. Maybe you can go a lot longer on speed than people think. Maybe if you just do it the right way. But isn't that kind of the way history always works? It's like, again, not to go back to the Russia thing, but all the various terrible leaders of Russia, like they all died of natural causes when they were 85. Right. Whereas, you know, in a country where people get murdered and die of industrial accidents and bad health when they're, you know, 30 all the time. Right. Right. But the worst people in the country make it to very old age and, you know, and die and their alcoholics and maybe that's a thing, right? Maybe, maybe, you know, he has the worst diet in the world and maybe he's on speed. Maybe it's also your perception of how you interface with the world. Maybe because he's not this introspective guy that's really worried about how people see him and feel about him. Maybe he doesn't feel, you know, whether it's sociopathy or whatever it is, he doesn't feel the bad feelings. They don't get in there. Yeah. And this, he doesn't have the stress impact. Right. And that's the thing about speed. Apparently it, because of the fact that it makes you feel delusional and it makes you feel like you're the fucking man. Right. You don't worry about what other people think. There's fucking losers. Who cares? Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. It's Black Greenland. Yeah.