Joe Rogan & Ari Shaffir on Alex Jones and Free Speech

Doing doing that during the edibles. I remember Alex Jones being there once and Diaz giving him a cookie It was right because hey this cookie. Yeah, and Alex Jones like what's in the cookie and Diaz was eat the fucking cookie Like what kind of stupid question is that you know, we went to eat with him afterwards. He was barbecued bar It was so much more reasonable back then Different guy I never understood How they made him from crazy conspiracy theorists? To alt rightist I didn't get the connection there Well that connection happened when he became united with like Alex Jones became united with Donald Trump, right? Because he was a big part of Donald Trump in in the campaign days and what way Donald Trump would call in He would call into Infowars and he knew that Alex Jones had a big base and Alex Jones would help him get elected Don't you know Donald Trump was very clever and who he aligns himself with like when you see him standing there Listening to Kanye West where Kanye West is ranting and saying all this crazy fucking schizo nonsense and he's like this That's a smart cookie like he's very smart in when he calls bullshit and when he doesn't call bullshit Yeah, it's like imagine if Kanye West was debating him and they were doing a presidential debate and Kanye was talking like that He'd be like what the fuck is this guy saying exactly what you say you give enough for me. So let's talk. Yeah He's you know That's what it was because he would have him on a bunch Well, you know also out alt right wasn't a thing back then You gotta realize when when Alex came with us to the fights there was no alt right But he was more like lizard people or like or like, oh, it's a fucking government conspiracy. Yeah, he was all about don't get it Started on 9-11. Yeah, like he was all about Certain conspiracies. I remember we were in Austin once when there was a shooting at a Army base we were there right with him. Yeah, when he was finding out about we were at a bar Remember he goes I guarantee you they're not taking that guy alive I guarantee they won't let him talk and then an hour later like they got him alive They shot him in the leg and they got him alive Because yeah, of course they got him alive because they want him to be a fucking martyr for this thing It's like or whatever. I don't want to be Marta, right? Yeah, and it's like no matter what he's just I'm spinning this to conspiracy And then I just that business is a tricky business They said like now you gotta be off the air now it's like well That's where it's fucked up. It's a lizard person guy Well, it's not though because like people were concerned that you're giving out bad information, right? And they're concerned about it But then with Alex what came out was the Sandy Hook thing the Sandy Hook denial thing was when again conspiracy I don't get why that's but it was a conspiracy involving children being murdered and their parents being Actors and that everyone was like some sort of a crisis actor and they were hired by the government to take away people's guns This is this is okay. Okay. Okay most radical version of sure I understand and I understand that's that's wrong and crazy Where do you get from there to you can't be allowed to say these crazy you've been saying these made-up things before right? You're saying it's still Well, I don't get why it's a hate monger. You got a really good argument. But here's the argument the argument is what is Facebook what is Twitter? What is YouTube? Are they private companies? Or is there most Mercer most certainly or even more so are they utilities? Is it like the electricity? Is it like a phone like what should you be allowed to tell someone they can't use it? Like I wonder if Jack said hey, I'm shutting down Twitter if the government's like we're opening it back up again Right, or is it like NBC? Because if NBC is a private company and Ari Shafir says hey the lizard people are eating kids and that's that stuff to run 60 minutes and they say no, no, you're fired Look Roseanne made one fucking bad ambient joke and they canceled her and they kicked her off of They were They were they weren't that's not true Why do you say that because it was a huge hit because of the outrage over the first season when she was like she supports Trump Yeah, but I was a giant hit But they were looking to get rid of her this whole Group was already saying we want you out We're looking for an excuse kind of like when they got rid of you at the Comedy Store Over filming when it was like come on. They already wanted to get rid of you Well, and then they found an excuse to get it done. Hmm. That's a tricky argument They wanted her out so bad. I think they wanted her out. I think they wanted to minimize her the left That's true But she was telling me how they were changing the way they were writing things and they weren't including her in the process Where she was very much included in the process during the first season when they were writing for the second season They were they were basically excluding her from the process of premises and the way they were writing the show I mean I've read I read all the outrage about early on it's like you're a Trump supporter. Mmm, and I read I saw Someone like Ray Sawney some young female comedian going like it when when when Silverman was like, hey watch my friend's show Or is Ann she's great great show and she's like, oh, this is the bitch I gotta be fake with at a party and kiss her on the cheek pretend I'm cool with her and it's like what is all this outrage over this pro Trump thing? And I finally I'm like, let me go watch it and my friend Jewish female Leftist Morgan Murphy who wrote it. I talked to her later about it But I finally watched it and it's just 12 characters in the show Ten of them don't talk about who they voted for at all. One of them is pro Trump one of those anti Trump There's also a little trans kid on there and that's it just one pro Trump one anti Trump and the outrage that I saw was almost like I Don't think you guys could have possibly watched this episode Hmm, I think you're all reading headlines about stories and that's what I talked to Morgan about. I'm like It doesn't seem like it could have come from the actual facts. Yeah There's a lot of that going on right? Yeah, and so I feel like it's the same thing with Alex Jones I'm getting hate monger. I'm like what Alex Jones just crazy conspiracy guy most of it. Yeah, most hate monger Well, yeah, um, do you talk about taking away trans rights or There was some talk There was some talk Alex Jones was saying and one of the one of the last final straws It was talking about people taking up arms and that people are not gonna stand it and you know It's it's basically rabble rousing Which is like a lot of what people do and they're they're talking about the other side trying to take away your rights Yeah, try to take away your guns. We're not gonna stand for it, you know, you know and People are gonna get shot, you know that kind of talk, you know, I don't know specifically what he said But there's a problem that you don't know specifically, right? There's a problem that they can just decide that you represent a certain faction of thought. Yeah, and that this should be Eliminated from you should be de-platformed instead like to be platform for a conspiracy guy And they goes people were going up to those those parents and saying like your kids not dead And it's a real issue. Yeah, but it's like he's not calling for that. That's what they're doing on their own Somebody shot two cops in New York because of the black lives matter movement You don't shut down a black lives matter movement over that They weren't asking for them to shoot cops. Someone did that on their own. He was also he wasn't asking for them to do that No, he wasn't so like so like I don't see how you deep platform The only great article I've read was by a trans woman who said when I hear crazy shit like that I feel like you're supposed to roll your eyes and then walk away. You don't say hey you need to get gone Well You know deep platforming people that's a good way to put it that is what they're saying And it's also it seemed like it was a universal Deplatforming because Twitter was one of the last places that kept him on and then they decided that they were gonna remove him But I didn't see anything Yeah, like they have some rules like that when they got Who's a woman that with Rose McGowan and then she was claimed talking about a rape and people like how dare you? She she she outed a rape and then and then you deplatformed her from that or you took her down from that And then that was the story that was a headline everyone's like how dare you Jack is that the guy from Twitter Jack Dorsey Yeah, how dare you and then he actually responded goes. Oh, no. No, she docked somebody She gave somebody's information about where they live and stuff like that and that's we already had that rule You can't do that nothing to do with why she docks them. Well, let's let's just over that Why don't you Google what exactly got Alex Jones kicked off Twitter? Because he would Twitter was one of the last platforms and then they can say hate speech and hate speech is one of those We're all broad broad terms. It's like I hate you. Yeah, okay. I Mean I I really am like I don't I think people are forgetting how the ACLU defended the clan members. Mm-hmm because the free speech is too big a Fucking issue to worry about how I feel about what they're saying Well, you know, what's really interesting is that left? Leaning people the leftists are the ones that want to censor and deplatform and silence people on the right it is It's also both I think we see the last more because we're in that bubble I think the right is doing it too. We just don't we're not friends with the white doing it They have no no power in technology that the tech companies whether it's Facebook Google Twitter They're all left. Yeah, and they're the ones who have the I mean, this is where it's weird, right? This is nobody saw this coming. It was media like you had Fox News You had NBC you had you had your left and you had your right more left than right offshore But there was power in the Fox News You know faction they had their voice But in the in when it comes to technology, there's not really an equivalent Company it's all left. Yeah, it's all left. There's not one right leaning large social media platform All right, they don't exist It should just stay out of it But I get why that you're gonna you get a reddit situation once like okay, but suddenly it it devolved into just child porn Well read it the problem with reddit is an anonymity when you give people anonymity and one guy actually lost his job Because of it because somebody decided hey, this guy's such a fucking creep piece of shit Let's find out who the fuck he is They got his IP and then they figured out who he was and then he was like some guy who was a dad It was like some regular guy with a job. They got him fired like, you know, they he had a bunch of weird, you know Kid fucking type posts and a bunch of shit that just people it's just like it's almost like role-playing Where you're not serious exactly and it's all said I saw hopes man That's people running out of the room yesterday or two days ago. He got a full room randomly At the end of the night. Yeah, he's first three minutes like like Three people I don't know what to do. I never get in front of these many people Like he couldn't handle it and then he starts going they start leaving and he starts getting angry and more into his pocket You know into where he belongs and then as people leave and like he's talking about child fucking and stuff like that and uh and guys Peek behind the curtain. I didn't fuck a baby Just so you know, there were no babies fucked so calm down Well, people don't want to hear about that subject right? Oh, that's fair Yeah, it's like the concert or do you hear some wonderful jokes about people losing socks in the dryer? Right. So actually honestly walking out is a fine response. Yeah saying he can't go up anymore. It's not a fine response different response Yeah, and saying you're gonna boycott the comedy store because they don't do your kind of comedy and if you want to boycott him that's also okay, but yeah trying to get other people to and But there's that this is a problem in that there's no balance Right if people are just right leaning and people want to deplatform them because they have right-leaning beliefs Right-leaning ideas like say if they support President Trump Yeah is the president whether you like it's like you're allowed to Want whether you like it or not that guy's the president and whether you like his policies or not. They are his policies He's the president of the United States and if someone supports that Deplatforming people who support him or support that is not the right response The right response is a well-worded argument against that that is against that that is convincingly Articulate to the point where you you make an argument that this is a terrible policy a terrible idea and an objective fence rider like myself that Watches that and reads it might go. Okay, this guy's got a good point in the lab I want to hear both sides, but I need to hear that side in order to hear the alternative side like Dave Smith who hates all Politicians pretty much. Mm-hmm. He was pointing out these like separating their kids from their parents thing He's like it's gotten real bad with Trump now and he goes, okay, that's true But look at the picture they're using on the bottom right hand corner. There's a date stamp on it and it's 2014 Yeah, there's definitely a lot of shenanigans like your anger is not even who you thought I can't even bring that up. That's just shit journalism. That's what that is and an online journalism Look journalists fucking fighting for their lives right there back. There's a journalism. It's terrible And it's also there's no money in it There's a problem is nobody wants to buy newspapers and we want to buy magazines and it's really hard for online journalism To not resort to click the anger shit. Yeah, I mean, that's literally how they make their living now is clickbait shit And so, you know, they have a photo. This is with the stock photo We got a little fucking kid who's crying and he's standing in front of a border patrol guy Throw it up but use it is what we got the stories real the photos not it's it's shit journalism I think it really comes down to like when you see like a Norma Donald where it's like, okay I haven't done anything to anybody wrong. I Just want to look at with compassion or another human. I'm like, these are these are friends of mine the people I know What do you mean? Be specific what you're saying about Norma Donald when he said like Roseanne and Louie and like they've lost everything in a day And people don't really understand what it's like, right? And I would like to see these friends human beings friends of mine Come out with the way and he goes honestly, I don't think Rosanna that lady was black I don't think she makes that comment and and then people go fuck you your can't your tonight your appearance is canceled Yeah, and it's like why even do anything mean moment. Don't do anything instead of taking that opportunity to go Hey, let's hear them out. Maybe you can clarify what you mean, right? Even say no, I didn't mean it that way. All right platformed they deep platform because these women or people I don't really know who they were at the tonight show Had their opportunity to fall on their sword and they go now we get to stand up for women's rights We get to stand up for racial rights. Well, the latest and instead of going like let's have them on exactly have them on and say Yeah, Jimmy Fallon go. What did you mean by that exactly? And then the clarifies position to now show? Oh, I'm on your side, but people don't want that. They're more they're more interested in punishment. Yes