Joe Rogan and Tim Pool Go DEEP on UFOs

Kyle Kolinsky sent me something today I wanted you to see Jamie It's some thing, there's some shit going down with UFO sightings Oh yeah, yeah, I've been fighting before Yeah, but I don't know if they were new Yeah, I'll send it to you I've been following this stuff Yeah, it's um Hold on a second Jamie Alright, I just texted it to you Pentagon officially releases UFO This is the tweet It says new Pentagon formally released three mysterious UFO videos Captured by Navy pilots The already leaked videos showed what DOD insist on calling Unidentified aerial phenomenon Moving at incredible speeds and performing near impossible maneuvers This is a weird subject because It's one of those subjects where people automatically dismiss it Because it's been so touted by kooks There's so many wacky fucks that have talked about UFOs That anybody talking about UFOs has to be out of their fucking mind But then when you see these videos and you see them performing these Impossible tasks Like these things are moving in a way that we've never seen anything move before Flipping upside down and sideways Moving at insane rates of speed Like they don't know what these are Yeah, aerial phenomena What's interesting though is I was reading one of these stories And they passively mentioned that the sighting was near a technology A US naval like technology station of some sort Like a top secret development And I'm like That could be one or two things Either it's developed by the people that are at that base Or they're monitoring the people that are at that base These aircraft, we call them aircraft Are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory Nor any foreign inventory that we are aware of Maybe they see this shit that's going down with China And all those ships being moved And like listen you fuckheads The aliens? Yeah, maybe they're like listen you fucking morons You territorial apes I'd like to think that but You don't think so? Manhattan Project man I mean the US has probably got some crazy motherfucking weapons Could be But the Manhattan Project was also coincidentally Right after they started detonating bombs And the aliens started showing up That's what they think, right? Yeah, well that was when the bulk of US sightings started jumping And worldwide I believe too You know, maybe We've slowly been getting more and more information about this I've been actually reading a lot of these stories over the past several months More admissions from government More release of documents And more sightings So there's been a big I don't want to call it Well, a lot of people murmuring That April was going to be the month When we finally learned the truth April's almost up It's almost up We got like a few days Nah man The 27th How many more days is left? Do you know about what happened? Do you know about the O'Hare airport sighting? Which one's that? So this was I think in like 06 At Chicago's International O'Hare A UFO came down and hovered above I think it I can't remember which terminal it was It hovered for a few minutes I think And then shot straight Punched a hole in the clouds Everybody saw it happen Now I had just quit working at O'Hare around this time When the sighting happened So I had friends who were still there I had a friend tell me that when this UFO came down People on Mannheim Road Where, which is the road on the side of O'Hare Got out of their cars Like just stopped the light Got up and we're looking and staring at it And that the people who are working Where we worked We worked for American Eagle Airlines Walked out of the rooms And we're just staring at it Float And then shoot up and punch a hole in the clouds You know what they said? Weather phenomenon So there's a photo of it A pilot took a photo of it This is back when like very early phone cameras It's a very grainy, awful picture There it is right there That's not it No, no, that's super fake There's one? I think Oh yeah, I don't know That is, I'm sure These are all people trying to fake It's really hard to find That one is not That one might be it But I don't think so It barely looks like anything Chicago O'Hare UFO sighting 2006 Is that it right there? I do not believe those are it No So this is Well click on that article See what it says, Jamie That's just some blog That one might be on the left But so many people try exploiting this stuff For clicks and for reviews And they make these fake photos And it was That link's not working? I'll click on it a few times It was a very, very faint photo from the cockpit It might be that one right there in the middle No, no, so on the left side Far left It might be that one No, no, that's not it That's not it Well, there was a really crappy photo of it And... That might be it That might be it It was out of the cockpit of a window A pilot took a photo And I wonder Where have all the sightings gone Since phones became ubiquitous? I mean there's a simple I guess excuse The aliens, they're sentient They know we have phones They're like okay, stop You know, decloaking or whatever But I wonder if Why is it there were so many UFOs And around the time Cell phone cameras come out Back on Well, I think most people are full of shit Yeah Yeah, I think most people like to pretend they see things They don't really see things But I don't think that excludes the possibility It's not like It's not like these things are mutually exclusive Like people are full of shit Therefore aliens don't exist I think aliens could be real And people are full of shit And I think that it could be It's very rare that they visit us But if they do Why would they? How often do scientists go to the Congo to study chimps? I mean how many people do they send To the bottom of the ocean to look for new life forms How rare is it? Let me trip you out Okay On that idea We put decoys up for animals Animals can't tell the difference What if you've actually met a decoy person And you couldn't tell the difference? Maybe it's you bro Maybe it's me That's right And that's why you're able to work so much Oh yeah, robot You don't get tired No So you're interested in news And disseminating factual evidence Because what I'm actually doing is collecting a database for the aliens No but I thought about this because I saw a photo on Reddit Of a puffin I think it's called The bird And they put up a fake puffin And it's because I think they're called puffins It's because the birds don't like nesting in places where they're alone And so by putting the decoy there the other birds would start coming And like one bird showed up and was hanging out with the decoy And I'm like could you imagine You see We put duck decoys in the water We do duck calls And the duck's like ooh hey fly honey I'm gonna come over and check this out And it's like a wood block Could you imagine like seeing like a beautiful woman Or someone you're attracted to And being like ooh look at that And it's really like an alien decoy Just to like probe you and like better understand you or something Well the decoy Just the term decoy is weird Because decoys are used for hunting Like turkey It's turkey season right now And the way most guys hunt for turkey Is they take a rubber turkey You put that fucker out in the middle of the field And then you hide behind a bush with a shotgun And go And then the turkey's like hear it And they come over and they try to get some pussy And then they get shot So what if you know you see some dude Or it's like you see it for you It'd probably be a beautiful woman You want to get that pussy And you know and then she's going like hey hey come over here And you're like oh hey me And then I get eaten No no they just you know take it up in the ship probe you And learn about your butt I think they didn't need to This is the thing about putting things up your butt I'm just kidding man Most doctors don't even do that Like they have MRIs now I think aliens need to probe you in your ass I think it's just what everyone's afraid of They're afraid of things going in their ass So that's what they think is going to happen If the aliens get them They're going to freeze me and touch my ass Somebody told a dumb story back in the day And it was the most sensational version Everybody had to have it So they were like that's what they went with you know Maybe or maybe they do that to keep you Keep your mouth shut They fuck you in the ass to see you keep your mouth shut Or some dude actually got abducted right Yeah And he comes back And he's like they think they won against me They think they beat me They put stuff up my butt They're weirdos Do you ever hear the story of Betty and Barney Hill? No It's the very first UFO abduction story It's an ancient story And what's crazy is Angela Hill Who's a UFC fighter I had her on the podcast And after the show She told me her grandpa was Barney Hill Whoa And I was like holy fuck Like we forgot to We didn't talk about it during the show But she wanted to bring it up Because she knows I'm kind of obsessed with UFOs But the account that they have They get hypnotized And he's recalling the abduction And they have like the same story It's very terrifying You hear him crying and screaming And you know that he was taken aboard this craft And examined and brought back And they have missing time But here's the thing If they only did that occasionally They only came down once every few years And just scooped some person up In the middle of some rural place Like if you're flying over You know I think their instance was in I believe it was in Maine If you're flying over somewhere like Maine Which is a very low population state And you see a lone car And it's just traveling along the highway And there's places in Maine Where you go from like Portland to Bangor When you're traveling on that road It's like 60 miles with nothing Not a gas station Nothing If you were an alien And you saw a car by itself Like no other car would move in We got one Isn't it just easier to think It's the US government Because we don't have the capability Of doing something like that I don't think the capability Of the scientists working for the government Is any different than the capability Of the scientists that are working for You know Project X Or you know fill in the blanks In terms of like what Raytheon Publicly traded companies How long, look Quadcopters don't seem all that complicated to me Quadcopters Yeah Quadcopters Like drones We've seen the little drone toys you buy They got four propellers Take that concept Use thinner jets And surround it in a disc So that it's universally Like it can move in any direction Because it's got What power source? Where's the gas tank? Well lithium ion battery Or Come on man You're talking space shit Like this hasn't even been invented yet Think about how little mileage you can get out of a Tesla You know they had No no no The Tesla is Still when it's going full out It can only go for I mean you get three hundred and seven miles If you drive like a grandma But if you drive like a maniac You don't even get half that You know that they I could be wrong with this But I'm pretty sure that they had this flying platform in the 70s That uses gas power And they've also had jet packs for a long time Yeah, no they've had Sort of They've had jet packs that are capable of going for like 30 seconds They don't I've experienced these No no no I'm pretty sure the jet packs back in the day went for a long time No They definitely didn't We can look it up Yeah let's look it up Because they definitely didn't The whole thing was the fact they were burning gas And to propel you in the air they only had a certain amount I thought it was like 20 minutes 20-30 minutes Maybe now My understanding of why we abandoned jet pack technology was that it was inefficient and heavy And you couldn't carry it without it being turned on So they opted for larger like you know like what are they called? Chinooks Helicopters that can carry multiple people Multiple people at once When you're wearing a jet pack it has to be on idle Negating its own weight Which means it's burning as you're walking around Which means you get a good 20 minute jump and you've got to abandon the tech And then you don't want your enemies to get it Have you ever seen a guy fly a jet pack? Yeah there's a video on YouTube No I mean in real life Oh I've seen that one guy the Iron Man dude Well I've been there in real life My friend Willie B. from in Denver on the radio He had a radio show in the morning I used to do his radio show I think he still has a radio show Shout out to Willie And he had this guy who was a jet pack pilot Who came in and in the parking lot of the radio studio And you know fans of the radio show came and did it too And watched it rather And this guy flew in the air for about 15-20 seconds and then landed This guy was so banged up Both of his legs were blown apart He had big braces on both of his knees I'm like what happened to your knees? He's like just crash landing Both my knees are blown to shit He had no ACLs on either one of his knees Well that's what I'm saying This is back then It was good for about 30 seconds 30 seconds of flying So the point I was trying to get to is if you take something like a quadcopter You could absolutely fuel it with gas It would be loud as fuck But it would depending on how you mitigate the engine It would be an engine It would be loud as fuck And you'd hear vrrrrrrrr from the quadrotors Yeah but what these people are describing is nothing like that These people are describing things that are silent That go from zero to a thousand miles an hour in a split second Things that defy physics as we understand them This is not something that I think that the US government has If you look at like Okay like Elon Musk Company, Project X or SpaceX SpaceX is right now one of the premier civilian companies Private companies that's making rocket ships They fuck up all the time Totally They're in the middle of innovating all the time He's one of the smartest people on earth He's one of the In terms of technology He knows as much about propulsion as anyone And they still can't get it right They're still trying to figure it out They're trying to come up with something that could be viable In terms of commercial space flight And they're working on it daily And these people are the brightest minds we know of right now They're in this jet propulsion space travel business There's you know, virgins working on something There's a couple other companies that are working on things as well And then you have NASA Which worked The best they could come up with was the space shuttle Do you think that there was something way better than space shuttle That they just never used That they had And they kept it on the back burner Didn't want to let anybody know But the way they would use it is they would pick people up And erase their memory And experiment with their asshole That's crazy Well That's less likely than the hundreds of billions of galaxies Just in our own known universe, right? Each one with hundreds of billions of stars Each star with who knows how many fucking planets That's somewhere out there that's something more advanced than us Maybe a thousand years, maybe a million years It's figured out how to come here I got the same question then Why hasn't anyone discovered them? Why has SETI failed? Search for extraterrestrial intelligence Why haven't the chimps invented guns? They've started using more tools Right, why haven't they invented guns though? So why hasn't SETI found UFOs? The same fucking answer They're not advanced enough yet It's a real simple answer The industrial age is pretty fucking recent I mean, you think about when people invented cars You're talking about 1800 That's really recent And we've only used Plane flights, 1800s High power radio transmission is only in the past 100 years or so Right, well you saw it, you ever seen the movie Contact? Maybe, that's an old one, right? It's Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey It's based on Carl Sagan's book about contact with space and with aliens I think I did see it recently I can't remember Interesting take on it Oh yeah, wait But the idea is that they've received the signal that we sent out way, way back in the day Actually when the first broadcast signal was Hitler announcing the Olympic Games The start of the Berlin Games This was the first signal they got It was a really controversial moment in the movie Or controversy in the plot Once they were trying to decipher the image that was being sent They realized it was Hitler The first thing they see is a swastika And they're like, what the fuck is this? They sent it back to us And then they had to realize, oh no, no, no This is the first image that we sent out to space They wouldn't be able to understand the political or historical context of this So I got a few, there's a few issues I see in terms of aliens and Earth contact, right? We are substantially more connected in an evolutionary chain to ants than we are to any alien So we can't communicate with them for the most part We kind of can, we understand how they communicate But when an ant sees a superhighway This is someone else's quote They don't think twice So it's possible there are aliens that have superhighways right above us We can't tell what it is Same as a dog doesn't understand other than stay away from it But one of the issues I think is often neglected in the conversation about aliens is the We assume aliens would be on a very similar planet to us We assume that they would have some kind of gaseous atmosphere Perhaps it's a liquid atmosphere And one of the things that I would ask of a researcher Because I'm not the expert is The fact that we have the proper balance of oxygen in the atmosphere to manipulate fire Which allows us to separate elements and then create computers And components and fuels wouldn't exist on a planet without the same atmosphere we existed in Ok stop, I can answer that really easily There's no known propulsion system for any of these crafts These things are not using fire They don't have a heat signal They don't know what they are They don't know how they work I don't mean propulsion I mean the separation of elements The manipulation of elements So we melt things and separate them and break them down They don't believe that that's how it works No but I mean like how do you even start from I'm sure there's an answer Let's say you have a species that lives on a planet with no oxygen It has no access to fire What dense energy source do they have that will allow them to manipulate matter Do you know the Rob Lazar story? I do Well one of the things that he talked about when he first stopped working for Aria S4 And the government was tapping his phones There's a lot that can be documented about him There's a lot that can't be But one of the things that he talked about was a thing called element 115 That element 115 is an insanely dense element that they use to bend gravity And that the way he described the way the propulsion system works It's like putting a bowling ball in the center of a very soft mattress And that all of the other mattress All the rest of the mattress bends around the intense mass of the bowling ball And that this is how these incredibly advanced aliens from this other planet use This is their propulsion system That was from Star Trek though The concept of warp was all around for a really long time I think the concept is based on Einstein's theory of gravity I mean this is the whole idea if you could find something that could do that But here's the thing When Bob Lazar talked about this in the late 80s, early 90s This element didn't exist It wasn't proven until they did it in a particle collider I believe it was 2013 So he was talking about this element far before And he's apparently This is the big rumor He apparently had taken some of that from a lab And through George Norrie Was it George Norrie? Yes They did some experiments on television And it showed that this stuff had made light and fog bend in a way that they couldn't describe And he also claimed to see a small alien creature on his way out He said he saw something that was sitting down But he doesn't know if it was a model that they were using Like if they had created something that was supposed to be the size of a thing that could fit in these crafts Because these crafts he said were designed for things that were far smaller than human beings I'm pretty sure in the initial interview he gave when he went public Was that he saw an alien And then later on changed it saying I don't know if it was maybe a model or a puppet Yeah, he said he thought he saw something sitting down And two people standing over it looking at it He said he thought he saw an alien But he's probably I mean, I don't know I mean, look, he said it was literally for like a half a second Like he's walking by a window and he sees something inside of it Imagine being a guy who's in your 20s And you're a propulsion expert And it's been proven that he worked at Los Alamos Labs And it's been proven that he did put a fucking jet engine Yeah, it's been proven that he did put a jet engine on a Honda I mean, he's a genius And then you talk to him He's an incredibly smart guy Now imagine you get sent off to area S4 And they show you this thing that you know doesn't even exist And they tell you about this propulsion method that they don't understand And they say that they found this a long time ago in an archeological dig And they want you to back engineer it Because you're a propulsion expert And they're running out of options They've been studying this for decades No one knows what the fuck it is or how you can make it work And then they do test flights with this thing And then he tells his friends about these test flights After he gets fired You know how he got fired? Do you know a story about him getting fired? He leaked it or something, yeah No, no, his wife was fucking her flight instructor And so when his wife was fucking her flight instructor They told him he couldn't work anymore And he's like, why not? Well, they were tapping his phone Because when you have top-secret clearance to work on UFOs I guess they don't want your wife fucking her flight instructor Because then you're going to go crazy And you have a lot of imbalance at home, right? So he doesn't know why. They don't tell him why So he takes his friends and he tells them, look, this is real They're running these experiments I know you're thinking I'm crazy This is what I've been working on So he takes them to this area Where you used to be able to have access to But once he did this, they closed off access And pushed it far back to where the public has access to And he showed them these things doing these impossible maneuvers In the desert, in the night sky Yes, I remember And so then he gets arrested And so when he gets arrested, he was in fear of his own life He goes public and tells this whole story And then they erase his past They erase his social security number They erase his education background Even though people that knew him And knew he worked at Los Alamos Labs He takes George Norrie of a tour of Los Alamos Labs Knows the people that worked there They all say hi to him He takes them on a tour around the laboratory Shows them the devices they use for biometric security I think the one thing you can't ignore is that There was documentation that he did work at one of these places And they later claimed he didn't I think I was watching the thing on, maybe it was Netflix He promoted that, right? It was on Netflix They showed the paper like we found it He clearly was there He was in the employee registry But for me, I'd love to believe it all He's been insanely consistent about that story For 40 years I want to believe For 30 years, whatever it's called I want to believe too, that's the problem The problem is I want to believe But that's nonsense A picture that didn't happen is nonsense How do you... What about Neanderthals? What about dinosaurs? There's no pics? I'm more so joking, right? I mean, show me the evidence, right? I get it The challenge with any theory I don't like saying conspiracy theory because they're not always conspiracies Is that people want something to be true And so they end up looking for things to justify what they think it already is Of course Instead of starting with what you've got and trying to figure out where it goes from there But when you start with what you've got You've got a guy who was living in Vegas, was taking these flights out to area S4 Knows the place, knows it inside out, can describe it very accurately Also worked at Los Alamos Labs, describes that very accurately It proves he worked there Yeah, it also proves he's a legitimate scientist When you talk to the guy, he's a brilliant guy He's not a nut, but what? Are you saying aliens? That doesn't mean aliens I'm just asking, like... It doesn't mean aliens, but that's what he was told What he was told is this is something that has come from somewhere else And they're trying to figure out how to work it, how to use it What if we're in a simulation and this was something that was left over code Or it wasn't supposed to be placed in this curtain iteration Or what if there's multiple dimensions that we don't have access to And that these things do