Is Brian Cox Scared of Artificial Intelligence? | Joe Rogan

Are you scared of artificial life artificial intelligence and Elon Musk scared the shit out of me Yeah when he talked about it like he talks about it like we're in the opening scene of a Science fiction movie where he's trying to warn people and then they don't listen to the genius and it goes south So it depends I chaired a debate on this The Royal Society in London a few weeks ago and there they so it's true now at the moment What people tend to be frightened of a general a eyes? AGI they call it artificial general intelligence, which is like what we talked about earlier a human like capability thing. Yes And we miles away from that. We don't know how to do it We haven't got them and we miles away So at the moment artificial intelligence is expert systems and very focused systems that do particular things You can be scared of them in a limited economic sense because they're going to displace people's jobs And actually interestingly in this panel discussion we had it's going to be like what you might call middle-class jobs in the UK So white collar jobs, it's not actually why people are interested in universal basic income to sort of replace money That's gonna be lost because there will be no jobs for all these people. Otherwise we have just a mass catastrophe Yeah, they're very good Someone said that these systems are especially intelligent systems at the moment. They're very good at doing things like law lawyers work So they're very good at reading contracts and things like that. There's interesting. It's a revolution It's not like the Industrial Revolution where it's manual labor that gets hit Necessarily, this is kind of interesting because it hits that kind of intermediate level that usually escapes So you're right. One of the answers is to tax There was an example was a robot tax. So in a car factory you say to the manufacturer well Okay You can have a robot what you pay the robot the same as you pay a person and then that money goes into funding universal Basic income or something like that. So I think there's got to be an economic change because these systems will be there But all the experts I spoke to agreed that the idea of a terminator style general intelligence taken over the world is miles away and and So whilst we might start thinking about the regulation, it's not gonna happen soon is the General point I think so I would disagree with him on that I think I think it's too far in the future at the moment I might be one of those people that's going yeah, it's gonna be alright, right? And then you know, my iPhone takes me out on the way to the airport Yeah, that's the thing. I mean you it's our choice at the moment, isn't it? I mean don't don't give your iPhone a laser And it doesn't matter if it goes crazy and tries to take over the world I know I know that's a bit facetious because they can he would say they could take over power grids and all that kind of stuff Yes, but well, it's these concepts that are really hard to visualize Like sort of Kurtzweil's idea of the exponential increase of technology leading us to a point in the near future Where you're gonna be able to download your consciousness into a computer you talk to computer experts I like this no way we're miles away from that. Yeah on your scientists. Yeah, you're a scientist. Yeah, you One brain cell probably we can't but Kurzweil's Convinced that what's gonna happen is that as technology increases it increases in this Wildly exponential way where we really can't visualize it. We can't even imagine how much Advancement will take place over 50 years But in those 50 years something's going to happen that radically changes our idea of what's possible And I think Elon shares this idea as well that it's gonna sneak up on us so quickly that when it does go live It'll be too late. Yeah, I mean it's worth putting the the the framework in place I think the regulatory framework even as you said for the more realistic problem, which is people's jobs are gonna get displaced Yes, and there's a great I was at a thing and some someone said I can't it was but they said that the jury was a politician The job of the innovation system is to create jobs faster than it destroys them So you've always got to remember that as a government and as regulators if you're going to allow technologies into the marketplace that destroy people's jobs It is your responsibility to find a way of replacing those jobs or compensating those people as you said Otherwise you get breakdown so human being those that people need some meaning like they just giving them income I think is just gonna I Mean just my speculation but it's gonna create mass despair Even if you provide them you provide them with food and shelter They need people need things to do so it's there's going to be some sort of a demand to find Meaning for people give them occupations give them something some task. Let's say it seems to be one of the Critical parts of being a person so we need things to do that we find meaning in You know like you were talking about we're the only things that we know of that have meaning That find meaning and share meaning and believe in that We're gonna need something like that if universal basic income comes along I don't think it's going to be enough to just feed people and house them Yeah, they're gonna want something to do if a you know a person is a you're doing something for an occupation And this is your identity and then all sudden that occupation becomes irrelevant because a computer does it faster cheaper quicker These people are gonna have this incredible feeling of despair and just not being valuable Yeah, I mean what want the utopian sort of a version of this is that everybody gets to do what we're doing now Right she's make a living sort of thinking and creating and that kind of you know That's the the utopian ideal is you don't need to do that stuff the job that you don't really want to do in the factory Right you can do the thing that humans are best at that that but I agree. It's that's a very utopian View yeah, does everybody want to do that or does everybody have the mindset? well Because education if everybody had an interest like that if everybody went on to make pottery and Painting and doing all these different things They've always really wanted to do and their needs are met by you know the universal basic income money that they receive every month But boy there's a lot of people I don't think have those desires or needs and to sort of force them onto them at age 55 or whatever it's gonna be Yeah, seems to be very very difficult. Yeah. Yeah, I agree Yeah, it's a big challenge, but I think that in concept at least it's inevitable that we do have some sort of an artificial intelligence that resembles us or That resembles something like X machina if people choose to create that I mean could choose to create it in our own image, but that's very godlike isn't it? God created us in our own his own image Yeah, and again, yeah Is it I don't know that when I talk to people in the field as you probably have most of them say Don't know how to do it. Yes. It's really right. It's gonna be miles away So maybe I'm hiding my head in the sand a bit, but I don't think so. I think it's I Think we'll know it when I don't think anyone's gonna do it accidentally, right? So I don't think it's just suddenly gonna be upon us. I I think We will see we will see ourselves getting acquiring that capability. We'll see ourselves close We'll see those systems beginning to emerge and then we'll think about it I think 200 years ago if you wanted a photograph of something you want a picture or something you had a draw it I Mean there was no photography 200 years ago. Yeah, I mean just think of that. There's almost inconceivable No automobiles no photography. What was automobile? Maybe there was some sort of machines that drove people around right something close Trains earlier than that, right you go back 500 years. You have almost nothing. Yeah, it's crazy. How we've been quick It's so fast I mean and then this what we're doing right now that there's people right now in their car that are streaming this So they're in their car and they're listening as they're driving on the road. Maybe they have a Tesla Maybe they have an electric car They're driving down the road streaming two people talking where it's ones and zeros that are broken down and there's some audible Form and you can listen to it in your car. That is Bananas. Yeah, I agree. We've been quick so quick. Well, I think they will you know the internet I mean, it's a it's a not long. I mean, I remember it being invented. Yeah