Former CIA Agent Breaks Down Jeffrey Epstein Case

Well how about the other prince? So you gotta go to... How about the other prince? The one that's Epstein's friend? Oh, Andrew. Yeah. Yeah. That was... What? What? First of all, how odd is that guy when they're interviewing him and talking to him? It's like, what? McQueen kicked him to the curb very quickly. Yeah. Well it's very strange. That whole... What is your take on this whole Epstein thing? First of all, can we just... Look at that. So you're sure she's 18? You're telling me that... You're telling me that... Yeah. She does not look 18. She'd look 16. Are you sure? You sure? What a shit show that is. Yeah. What a shit show. So let me ask you this right off the bat. Well I don't know what I'm gonna ask you. He didn't kill himself, right? I don't believe so. Thank you. No. No. And you know me, I'm not a conspiracy guy, right? I don't disappear down to rabbit holes very often, but no, I don't think there's any way in hell he killed himself. Michael Shermer, who's the head of Skeptics Magazine, who doesn't believe anything, found out that the tapes were missing and that the fucking cameras didn't work and that the tapes were deleted from the first... Accidentally deleted from the first time he attempted suicide. And Shermer's like, oh, this is a conspiracy. Like it was enough evidence that one of the biggest... A professional skeptic. Skeptic, yeah. Yeah. Professional skeptic doesn't believe anything. No. There's no way I could be convinced that he offed himself. No way. He knew too much. And you know, it's astounding, but yeah, what a shit show. But hey, you know, nobody's gonna get to the bottom of anything. But that's a crazy one. Like they got him in the jail. The guards are somehow or another getting in trouble. So who knows what the guards are gonna say? They might get suicided. My favorite part was the guy they chose for his cellmate. Do you see the fucking gorilla they chose for a cellmate? Yeah. Reminded me of that Richard Pryor, that old Richard Pryor movie. I don't know if you remember that one. The guy they... Look at this fucking guy. This giant goomba. This huge Italian ex-cop who's a murderer and a drug runner. I mean, this guy is built like a brick shit house. And this is Epstein's cellmate. It's like, what? Like you can't even make this stuff up. As he never touched him. Of course. Why would I touch him? Nicholas Todaglione. Yeah. What does he say? Timeline of events in quadruple homicides, is that what it says? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So this fucking guy, this giant... He looks shitty. Likes dogs though. Yeah, he loves dogs. Keep him from all the people that he killed. They bark when they're coming around, you can grab your gun. It's a good move. It's just crazy. There's so many pieces to the puzzle that are so ridiculously obvious. And then when you find out that Clinton flew with him at least 26 times. Yeah. 26 times. Yeah, I had no idea. Hey. Hey. Jeff was a good guy. Yeah. No, it's just one of those things. And again, I'm not a buyer on these sort of things, but you look at the facts around and you think there's no way in hell. I mustn't know you. You would have thought that Epstein would have said to myself, or said to himself, I'm gonna get killed here if I'm not careful. Well, he probably didn't think it was ever gonna get to the point where they were actually jailing him. Yeah, that's true. Because remember he had that deal where he was on work release so he could just do whatever he wanted and fuck off for 16 hours a day, then he had to check into the jail at night. Yeah. And who even knows what that means? He might have checked in and just went home again. It seems like they had set something up for him to make it very easy for him to be incarcerated for what should be a pretty heinous crime. I mean, he was- Who would think? Sex with underage girls. Sex trafficking. Yeah, sex trafficking. Not just him doing it. Yes. I mean, it's just the extent to which- And so, yeah, but then you look at, I forget what her name is, they sort of the- Giselle? His assistant, Giselle. What his name is? Gis-lane? Gis-lane, how do you say it? Gis-lane Maxwell. What did he say? It has an S in it, but I've heard it pronounced with the S or without, so Ghislaine or Gis-lane. Okay. I don't know. Ghislaine or Gis-lane? Mm. Whatever. G. It's called a G-rocker. So G-rocker's out there hiding in the bushes in Columbia or something, right? Where is she? Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I mean, she must be- you would assume they've deposed her at this point or- She must have something. She must have some fucking kill switch where if the shit goes down, all the Clinton tapes come piling out onto the fucking floor of Glenn Greenwald's house. Somebody must have, sorry. You would think- Yeah, you brought it around to Glenn Greenwald. Glenn, it's Bill. Can we talk? Yeah. Maybe, you know what, maybe I should convince- oh, there she is. Yeah, that's when she was in and out reading a book on ex-CIA agents who have been murdered. That's literally what she was reading a book on, right? Wasn't that- Yeah. Yeah. It was about CIA operatives and the murder. So the idea was that what they said, what people believe, and there's many different versions of what people believe, but look at how many pictures she posed for. It's so strange. But what many people believe was that what he was doing was compromising a lot of these wealthy, powerful people by getting video tapes of them hooking up with young girls, including Prince Andrew, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For whatever reason. Have you heard of anything like this before? Is this something that's been done in the past? Not that I've heard of. Anytime you see some freak show, it's never the first time it's happened, right? Right. So you have to assume it's happened, but to the degree that it's got this level of celebrities and big time names, I mean- It works so well. And I'm going to tell you something after the show's over. I'll tell you something after the show's over. You just tell me, just you and me talking. If you whisper- I hear you in my ears. The North Koreans used to do that. It's really loud. Sorry about that. The North Koreans used to... That was their phone security, is they would get on the phone and when they had something really classified to talk about, they would whisper. Yeah. Yeah. So you're going to think, oh, gosh. That's hilarious. We'll never figure that out. That's really funny. Really? That's how they did it? Yeah. Well, part of it was years ago, I think they just never believed any Westerner could understand Korean. I think that was kind of part of it, was that they just believed we were all too stupid or we were just so complicated that we'd never be able to figure out what they were saying in their own language. That's the price you pay for being so insulated, right? Yeah. You never really understand what's really going on in the outside world because they don't really have the internet. When was the last time we talked about North Korea? It's been quite a while. We just pushed that right off the front. But to get back, we can talk about North Korea, but to get back to this Epstein thing, is that a common strategy that intelligence agencies would use where they would try to compromise people in order to get... Like, what would be the benefit if you had to think if the Mossad was doing that and they were doing that and using... That's the theory, Epstein. Right. Yeah. It's a good point. I'd say from an intel services perspective, I mean, one thing I will say is the US... And people are never going to believe this because I'm saying it. They'll say, oh, it's bullshit. But the US, the agency doesn't do that. We don't use honey traps. We don't do that sort of thing because that sort of leverage always... It's always going to head south on you. And so we don't try to coerce somebody in a sort of a relationship that then we can take advantage of. And yet other services do, the Russians being one of them, they do that all the time. Israelis, yeah. They've had some very successful efforts to do that. And if you get somebody in that position, it doesn't matter how they're compromising themselves, whether you're putting themselves in with like an Epstein situation where suddenly you've got video of them with an underage person, or whether they've provided a document that they shouldn't provide. The concept is always the same. It doesn't matter what that action is. You're getting them on the hook. You're getting something that's leverageable over them. And if they don't just go forward immediately, say, and turn around to their boss and say, I'm guilty, did this, sorry, then they're compromised. And then you've got them. As an intel service, you've got them. You can start reeling the hook in because now you know that not only did they do something to provide you with a document, even if it wasn't on class about that, if I go to somebody, if I'm developing a relationship with somebody, some target overseas or whatever, and I'm thinking, all right, now I'm exploring. This person's got access. They're in an interesting position. They're in an interesting job. And they've got access to information that we want to know that's priority target. And then I want to say, okay, now I want to develop the relationship a little bit. Maybe I bump into the person at a few parties. Maybe we're in the same parent-teacher organization, whatever the shit is, right? And our kids play on the same soccer team. So then I go and I think, okay, what do I want to do? I want to test the waters a little bit. I'm not going to say, hey, listen, I understand you work at the foreign ministry here in whatever country you happen to be in. How about you give me some documents? But instead, maybe it's something different. Maybe they work at the foreign ministry. Maybe they work at an aerospace business that's a target. But you've developed a bit of a relationship, and then you say, yeah, my kid's doing this school project. And it's all about whatever, hypersonic flight. And you know that they work at some aerospace company and say, yeah, do you have anything just on hypersonics? And you're not looking for anything classified. You're just looking for a research paper or a study or something. And if they come back and say, yeah, you know what? Here, this is an interesting study. Now, that act alone, they're not giving you something classified. But that act alone means something big, right? It means they were taskable in a sense, right? They responded to your request for information. They're suckers. Not suckers necessarily. It could be an enormously smart person. But you know, and smart people get, yeah, they get suckered into it. I guess you could put it that way. But yeah, so anyway, then you go from there. Then you ratchet it up slowly, bit by bit, if you've got the time frame to do it. Maybe sometimes you've got to shorten time frame because there's a requirement to get something and you've got to accelerate the whole process. Anyway, so the point being is it's still leverageable. And Epstein was obviously getting leverage on all these different people for whatever his purpose was. What do you think? That's what the question was. What could he possibly, a lot of them were scientists. He went with a lot of celebrities. There was Texas State. I don't think he needed money. Right. Well, what was he doing? I mean, maybe you just, who knows? Maybe you got off on sort of being the kingpin in this whole thing. It's a good question. It had to be funded, right? So I mean, there had to be something valuable that they were getting from it. I'm guessing. I don't know. It hasn't been spelled out to me. Yeah. Yeah. Like I've tried to figure out the angle, but I mean, I get the idea of you would have leverage over these people. You'd have them in compromising situations and then they would do things for you. But what would they do for you? Yeah. Like what is he getting built? It's a good question. And providing him with access, maybe he liked being close to the seat of power. Maybe he liked being close to what he thought was like a royal family member. Who knows? Because he had all, it sounds like he had all the money he needed. Right. So maybe it was that sort of access that blew his skirt up. I don't know. But it is, yeah, it is interesting. But I don't think, I mean, look, it's just like been kicked to the curb. Obviously they're doing the trial, I guess to some degree, but I don't think, I don't know where they stand in that trial. Nothing's going to happen. Yeah, nothing's going to happen. We've already swept it under the rug and there's already new stories out that have got our attention. We forget about things so quickly today. The news cycle is so fast. When something happens, even something as ridiculous as the Epstein case where it's so obvious that he was murdered. And then Michael Baden goes on 60 Minutes and says, this is consistent with someone who is strangled. I've never in all my years of seeing people hanged. I've never seen him with these kind of fractures. These fractures are indicative of strangulation. And that is one serious might it do too, right? Michael Baden, yeah. Tremendous amount of experience and he doesn't blow smoke up anybody's ass, right? He's very measured. And now obviously he was there on behalf of Epstein's brother, I guess. But anyway, it's one of those things where you think, what the heck, I'm going to put that down as something we should explore. I want to go visit their cop in jail, see what he's probably going to fur line, sell them. Taglione? Yeah, he's got a giant 72 inch TV. All the dogs with him. Yeah, all the dogs there. What's happening here? Why are marks in his hands? I mean, if you're going to get someone to strangle your cellmate, that's the guy too. I mean, he'd fucking do it in three seconds. He's so big. Yeah, you don't want somebody who's got to take their time because they can't exert enough pressure. You want some Kevin Spacey dude strangling. It's going to take forever. Can I hold his old skill? You want some big gorilla dude? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I tell you what, if this new series I'm doing gets picked up for a second season, well, I'm going to recommend to the producers they put the Epstein case on there. Oh, they have to. Even though it's not quite in line with what we do, but still.