Donald Cerrone Not Training at Jackson Wink - Joe Rogan Experience

And I went to Greg's When the tap out guys picked me up and introduced me and all that right back when you're on the tap out show I'm sure yeah that a reality show that well mass called great and got me that's how I got involved with them right I I Left Leonard Garcia was fighting Roger Wartour one my best friends Roger what I thought that was by the way damn, right? Fucking Mexican god damn forgot about that fight who go to fight pass Bring that up Leonard still wildest dude I've ever met I love that guy so do I man and So he calls me like how I need to come down for a week come for one week help me get ready for Roger He took the fight on my three weeks note as something outlandish just like me and Leonard do right so I go down there I literally never left when I went down first day I walked into Jackson's in Rashad Keith St. Pierre Joe Daddy Stevenson I mean the list goes on and on and on and I was like wow this is what a real gym is like This is what and they all accepted me. It was like I was like in the family, right? I call I owned a house in Denver. I call my grandma said I'm never coming home. I'm staying here Sell the house, right and I literally never went home She would just slowly come down to visit me and bring me truckloads of shit Right literally I lived in a closet man Third as big as this room we had a bunk bed me and Leonard and If one person was standing up the other person had to be in the bed That's how small this room was wow and I lived there for two years above above Jackson's and would train every day with him I guess I never left and Greg asked me he sat me down after about I don't know a couple weeks of being there He said man. I want you to be my 55 er and at that time Hit up there's a the list of 55ers were nuts that he had and I was like wow fuck Greg Jackson who at the time was the man man right that the gym was like a 90% winning great and He just he's such a knowledgeable awesome, dude, man and to see where the gym was to where the gym is now is It's like heartbreaking to me to be honest and you want to talk about loyalty Which is the biggest thing in this conversation that we're having right now is how they pick someone over me through being loyal I stuck by Greg even when the gym Started going down when Winkle John merged over All the big pros left it turned into like a puppy mill You know it wasn't for for back when Greg had it and it was its own school You couldn't turn up to a pro class like like some guy couldn't just come here knock on your door Like you say you get weirdos your old time next you know he has shin pads on he's sparring There's litter be at the new gym bums coming off the street I swear to God and will fight these and will come in and put stuff on a fight. That's a true story random bums off the street and That would never happen back in the day so Greg doesn't run it anymore No He has he's like so out of the loop Winkle John runs the entire thing and that's what is Greg doing He kind of stepped back for a couple years man Like kind of started doing other things and just kind of got burned out I guess which is why I Created the BMF ranch I needed somewhere to go and something to do so I created my place Which is Winx argument with me right now saying you be at your old place. You don't ever come here, but I said Well, I don't ever come here because You did the people you let in here is outlandish like anybody you pay a hundred fifty dollars you can get on the masses in Spar with Holly homes you know I mean That's that's what it's come to down there and back in they was like private and just us and good pros everyone there For the same mission trying to trying to get better You know but I've talked to some other people that are I want to name sure they've said that when they go down there New guys will come in and it's literally a fight is a fight. It's there's no there's no there's no ABC Class anymore. It's literally these guys come in they want to make a name on you But sometimes when you're towards the end of a fight camp you don't need those new guys You don't need that crazy sparring right right you need you need the guys you trust and right not some random guy I don't know right so It's just it's asinine me man what what they turn that place into that that still happens in MMA because you're never gonna find that In boxing and boxing all sparring is control control bring in the sparring partners You know who you're working with so I mean we talk loyalty again to me With Greg his name is on that building. It's not it's weak Jackson weak right Jackson fucking wink your name's first even When it came time to pick a decision, and they said we want to go with Perry Why the fuck didn't you stand because Greg's still with me? He's like yeah I'll just come to the ranch and we'll sort this out and I'm like what the fuck are you talking about right you tell me I can't come into the Jackson wing gym But you're gonna back door and come to my fucking house And we're gonna train to fight me while Perry's there at the gym you see everything he does And then you're gonna come and you're gonna train me not to mention you're holding classes there And he's watch I mean you might not be training him to beat me But there's a lot of people there that have trained me for fucking years So to me that was the point I was saying like man. Can we just not have him there for this camp? I mean there's a lot of secrets that I that like inner secrets that I have like Yeah, I'm fucking scared to death to fight like that's the thing he can that they can tell him like or they tell him You know go get cowboy mad You know that's he doesn't fight well when he's pissed off so fucking piss him off poke at him poke the bear piss him off Get him out of his element give him up You know the shit like this right so and there's a lot of other things small dumb things that I do and tendencies Over the year over 10 yeah of right yeah To me that's it's very intimate the relationship between a coach and a fighter is very very intense So for someone to violate that in that way and you know I don't think there's anything wrong with guys from a camp deciding to fight each other and you got to work that out But for them to tell you that you can't close Condit. I agree with right we figure it out All right cause you go that way out what right these are your times your hours back to each other right friends Fighting partner a new guy who just came in like a second nothing against Perry. He's looking for he wants a home Right he's like he felt like Jackson's great. I like that guy a lot so that's not him I mean, what is he gonna do right and and I just said hey? Frank was gonna go and train with him wherever I Heard stories he was looking to go to Vegas anyway. I don't have any idea man I was just I was just like man Can we just not do it for this fight and then Winkle John called me on the phone didn't you have the fucking balls or the backbone to say it to my fucking face And I was right there with them called me on phone like oh Yeah, we're actually gonna Go with Perry You know he pays money that's again. It comes back to the money So Perry pays him a percentage and you don't I only pay Greg I've for my entire career I've ever been there because I don't like Winkle John style and like his way he holds meds I don't like the way he trains people different about what he does It's the same thing for you for me for John Sam. They're all the exalt. It's a cookie cutter Everything's exactly the same and it never changes It's I don't understand how you could be a coach of the one of the greatest at one time the greatest gyms on the planet You know and then don't ever evolve don't ever change and don't run class and it to me. It's He just drove that place into the ground man turn literally turn it into a puppy mill It's only about making money and for you guys know I'm talking about a puppy mill when someone has a dog And they just fucking breed it and sell puppies and breed it and sell puppies. That's that's what's happening That's the the infrastructure of this gym. No let's talk about training there Let's talk about coaching right Greg's supposed to be the the the general right. I'm just a soldier How come I have to be now a general and a soldier that's the might that's what it's fucking up in my career I can't I need someone to tell me what to do tell me what not to do and I had to start my own school At the ranch bringing my own coaches, but then now I'm making all the executive decisions When we're training what we're training what we're doing, and I'm not I'm no longer just a soldier I'm having fucking run this whole thing That's not for fighters the problem for me, too I like to I'm a fucking super alpha male And I like to communicate with my coaches and get everything done and the guys I have a fucking standing by me I love them to death, but I need someone to be like you know what you crazy fucking bastard You're going too hard going to hyper off this taper off. Let's pump the break or let's pick it up right right The fucking fun fuck off part of your life is taking over into your training. Can we step it up a little bit right? I need that I need I need fucking direction Each day we're working on this not just me going in there's an ah Let's fucking wrestle today, right? So You know what to do, but it's also nice for someone else who knows what to do who's completely objective I'm standing on the outside because there's been I'm in this so long There's I could literally Joe never spar from now till the Perry fight and probably not even do one jujitsu roll And I would be okay to fight like mentally right, but that's probably not a very smart idea, right? It's not you at your optimum exactly So it's just it's fucking ass nine to me and the coaches down there So not only can somebody just ring the doorbell and show up and train pay the money You pay the $25 drop in or you pay the 150 the month come to any class you want, but if you're a coach You can just coach the class It's that it's that ass and I do I see a new striking coach or new wrestling coach or a new jujitsu guy in there twice a week probably and their coach in the class the main wrestling coach of Jackson wink the greatest school in the fucking world is a reception to a chiropractic upstairs He's great his credentials. Whereas he was a junior assistant coach at a college I don't know the college name who got fired for selling the kids steroids That's our wrestling coach at one of the greatest schools in the world Is he a good coach? No, it's terrible. He's fucking god-awful terrible He watches videos on YouTube and tries to teach people things that don't even fucking work It's ass and I which is another I had to hire my own coach and bring him in It's like like whoa. Wait, what and now? They don't even drill they just go live and they want to know why people get hurt every day It's like you can't just go in and say okay and we're wrestling go So do you think that people just get burnt out on doing things the right way and they just they just figure look I'm just gonna do this the way that makes the most money. Well, I think And I wish I had I had the answer for that I do because I'm not in that position to I'm not running a gym and That's I've never done that because I don't want it me showing up to class every single day would wear me the fuck out Yeah, it wears everybody's got to yeah, but you should have an infrastructure set in place that takes especially if You You're the greatest at one time right if you're winning percentages are in the 80s and 90s and now they're in the 20s Look, I don't I have no clue what our what our rating record of the gym is but it's it's nothing like it used to be right, yeah, and It's fucking With ass and I in the mean so the way you were doing is it you have the BMF ranch Right everything set up you bring in all your sparring partners and you would be doing all your training out there and how would Greg interact? He would he would either show up down at Jackson's and spar because they still got there still bodies down there, right? There's still guys would show up down this bar We'd bring all the guys out or Greg would come up, you know Three or four times a week to the ranch and we just are as you're in it from 50 miles about Okay, a good hour from solid hour drive into the vast Nolans of New Mexico. Let's go. Yeah, do you like living out there? I do. I love it. I Fucking love it. So I sold my house. I moved here. I fucking planted roots now I could never ever sell my place. I'm stuck in New Mexico. I'm moving back to Colorado. I'm a buy you never so Because I have to sell it like a crazy cult leaders of anybody out there listening wants to operate a cult 40 acres 40 acres plenty of rooms buildings animals in your vicinity Um, oh, yeah, this might be where we start. There's there's about an hour driving running some elk we have we got an elope Everywhere which crazy thing about antelope, you know, they don't jump fences. Yeah, they won't jump fences crazy Right. You can just literally corner them into it into a into a they occasionally jump a fence They've been known to jump a fence occasionally. It was very very rare You know, they evolved before the Ice Age they evolved to get away from cheetahs How are you so smart that's what I want to know I'm not smart I just remember that it's fucking insane There was a mass extinction of giant land mammals It's somewhere around 12,000 years ago in North America and before then there was cheetahs There was actual North American cheetahs, right? There was a North American lion. That's bigger than the African lion How about that shit giant ass fucking lion and that's where these fucking things if you want another chew That's made whenever I meet people for autographs They're like do I can't believe you got Rogan to fucking take a chill. I did not just take it. I swallowed it I didn't know what I was doing like a man Yeah, all right round two. Here we go Hmm what kind is this? I'll go it's wintergreen Copenhagen under your chin right under your lip You can put under your chin if you want Yeah, take just a little one too late too late take a big ol upper liver