Death is a Mystery Science Can’t Solve

What's your opinion? I wanted to pick your brain on that because I'm, me and my wife, we have a pact, okay? And people are going to think we're crazy, but I don't give a shit. We have, since we met in 2016 in Thailand, we never had a night apart. We know nights apart at all. And I loved it because I said, I don't know, we have only one life. And I love her to that. She's my life partner. She's my, you know, she always believed in me. I think she's the reason why I became champion because prior to meeting her, I was just no ambition, no nothing, you know? I mean, and then my point is, is that the reason behind that is that I want to, you need more coffee, huh? No. Yeah? I need to, I want to spend as much time as I can because you don't know if there's something after. So what do you think? I think you should be happy. And if you're happy doing that, that's great. I mean, not about that. I'm super happy with that. That's my goal in life is to like, to have as much time as I can and with her. But I mean, do you think, because it's so hard to help them? No, no, not this, about the afterlife. Like I'm like, for science, I think it leads to that we're going to just cease existing. Yeah, but that's not science, honestly. Okay. Well, science is the study of how the brain works and the study of where, you know, where the memory is located and what parts of the brain are affected by injury and studies on fMRI, where they're measuring areas of the brain that are active during specific activities. That's real science. There's no real science about what happens when you die. It's pure speculation. I mean, like body or physical body, I'm saying we're going to just like, it's going to die, right? And then, then my point is, I know there's absolutely no science about that. But my point is, I'm doing speculations that if we do stop existing, we do stop living and breathing. What's our essence? Where is it going? Right? Is there an energy? There's a spirit? It's so hard to say. Well, no one can really say. It's pure speculation. And I'm always skeptical of people that think they know for sure nothing happens, as much as I'm skeptical of people that think for sure they know what happens. It's just comforting for some people to have an answer, whether it's the lights go out and that's it. I mean, that's Richard Dawkins' perspective. Oh, yeah, is it? Yeah, but other people's perspective, but he's never done psychedelics. He's got this very reductionist perspective, scientific based on what we know right now. So he's adamant that when you die, you die. Yeah, but that's nonsense. He doesn't know. I mean, you don't know. I mean, I understand that he's a man of science and logic and this is how he likes to frame the world. But the reality is no one has any idea. And most people don't want to adhere to that train of thought because it's very scary. Well, it's also, if you've done psychedelic drugs, you know that there's a very strange thing that can happen to your brain and to your consciousness when it interacts with certain molecules. What is that? Never traded. Well, some people believe that that is a portal to the afterlife and that what happens when you die during periods of extreme stress, your brain produces psychedelic chemicals. We don't know what the soul is. Is that a real thing? Is it nonsense? We don't know. Is your consciousness, your consciousness is clearly affected by injury to the brain and it's clearly affected by age. It's clearly affected by deterioration. It's clearly affected by some exogenous chemicals. But is that you or is that something that your brain is housing? What happens when you die? Does it transfer to something else? Does your brain house consciousness or does your body house consciousness or is consciousness a part of it? And when your brain shuts off, there's no activity. Does the consciousness cease or do you transcend? No one knows. No one really knows. I think Penn and Teller, what's the big guy's name? Penn. Penn Gillette. Penn, yeah. I think I like what he said. He said, we don't know. That's the real answer. The real answer is we don't know. Anybody saying anything that that is, I mean, I don't know. Maybe they know something we don't know. But it's interesting. It's interesting to think of. And there's a lot of people that don't believe that you are the same person every day. There's a lot of people that believe that when you go to sleep, that you wake up in the morning and you assume that all of your memories of your life, they're accurate and that you are absolutely the person that you were when you went to bed the day before. But you don't even know that. Oh, that's a great, oh, I never thought about that. You don't really know that. You know that you have some memories that you can call upon. Unless you record them like you do. But even if you record them, like who the fuck is recording it? Are you sure that's you? I mean, are you the same person? I mean, there's all these ideas of many worlds, these quantum physicists like to bring up that there's a bunch of different interactions that are happening simultaneously. And that it's so hard to even conceive of the possibility of multiple dimensions and then the possibility of infinite universes that- Can I conceive that? Yeah. That we travel back and forth through all these different things. And that based on the decisions that you make, based on who the fuck knows? An infinite number of variables that your life moves in a bunch of different directions. The idea of an infinite universe also means there's an infinite number of David LeDus out there. I know, I know. That's what's really crazy. There's an infinite number of young Jamie's. There's an infinite number of fill in the blank, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Mike Tyson, Vander Holyfield. There's an infinite number of them and they're all doing different things and all slightly different lives. How was it when you did the MT? I've done it a bunch of times. It's very strange. I'm scared of that. You should be scared. Okay. I'm scared. And what does it look like? What does it look like? It looks like, well, it depends on the purity of it. When you get it really pure, it's almost like a white looking crystal. Sometimes it's a little bit yellowish. It's more of a yellowish looking crystal. It's, yeah, and you free base it. That's something that our brain creates. Yes. Your brain produces it. That's one of the reasons why your body can bring it back to baseline so quickly. Your body knows what to do with it. It has it. It's a part of your whole chemical system. How did you come up with it? How did you read about this? How do you come up with this? I don't remember how I first heard of it. I think I heard of it listening to Terrence McKenna talk about it. I think that was the first thing I ever heard of it. And when I first did it, I couldn't even believe. I couldn't believe that this is a possibility, that this is something that exists on earth that so many people don't even know about. Did you like, you need to lock the doors when you do it? I mean, I did it in my living room with some friends. Okay. Sat down. How long does it last? About 15, 20 minutes. Oh, it's short. It's very short. It's like a three day thing I'm going to- No, no, no, no, no. It feels like it's three days. It feels like forever and then instant. It feels like it just happened and it also feels like forever. But it's very strange. It feels like you've been there before. When you go there, that's one of the- Really? Yeah. It's like you leave the world. You leave this space and you go to some incredible dimension that seems more real than this. It's very, very intense. Do you think?