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Donnell Rawlings is a stand-up comic and actor. Catch his new special, "Chappelle’s Home Team – Donnell Rawlings: A New Day,” on Netflix. www.donnellrawlings.com
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That's gotta be a tough, not a people can pull itself out of it, a lot of people can't reinvent themselves like that. Right, like if you're Gallagher, like everybody expects fruit. If you say, I'm just gonna talk now. People are like, come on bro, but we wanted to talk in the fruit. Yo, when people like that have weird, weird crazy fetishes and shit, bruh. It's like he fucks with watermelons and then he likes looking at naked goats and shit. Something crazy if you're that wild. But Gallagher, anytime you see Gallagher, you're gonna think watermelon for the rest of your life. Yeah, you're gonna think sledgehammer, you're gonna think everybody's covered in plastic, remember? I remember that when we... I had to keep it, but you just said it. When I was with Chip Usher and I used to pitch ideas, and they used to just throw my ideas like, get that shit out of here. I used to pitch ideas, yeah, and then a guy gonna come down, then a dude gonna come, and then somebody gonna have a hat on, right, they gonna come and they gonna shoot him, and then he used to be like this, pow! He used to smack that shit out of there. He was like, do that shit 10 years ago, son. Like my shit was so dated. And I couldn't think of anything. One day, I was watching Comedy Central and Gallagher was on. And for some reason Gallagher looked like Dave Chappelle to me. And I was thinking, because Dave skateboards and shit, I was saying the skates. And I just said, and of course I was smoking a joint, I said, what if Gallagher was black? I was like, what if Gallagher was black? I just said, what if Gallagher was black? That was my pitch line. I said, what if Gallagher was black, right? And then I called Neil Brennan and I said, I got an idea. He said, what son? I said, black Gallagher. And bam. Wow. I forgot about this character. Yep. Black Gallagher. Dude, you were on, without a doubt, the greatest sketch show in the history of the world. I mean, it lasted only a little while. But those are the classic sketches. There's some great sketches. It doesn't put anybody's down. I mean, obviously, Saturday Night Live has been around forever. They have a lot of great sketches. But it's hard to beat the black KKK dude. It's hard to beat that sketch. It's hard to beat that. I don't even know what thought process you got to have. I don't even know what thought process you got to have to even. Yeah, that was when that sketch is going on. You're watching it go on. Yo. Whoa. It felt like when that sketch dropped, bro, when that sketch dropped, when that sketch dropped, I was like, oh, shit. It was just like, what are we talking about? It's like one of the funniest things that's ever been captured on film when Neil's head explodes. Yo. What a great idea. It's just such a great idea. A blind black KKK member. And he just run around thinking he's fucking white as shit. And that shit still stays in fucking pop culture. It's just one of those things. It's going to be Clayton Bixby forever. Forever. There's a bunch of those. It's Rick James. One of the greatest sketches of all time. I remember when we were doing the wraparounds, when you show the sketch to the audience, and they played the Rick James sketch. And every time we played it, the room just exploded. I mean, just exploded like, wow. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was. You knew something different. You never know. No one ever knew that it would go to the extent that it went. But you just knew something was big in that moment. Dude, there was a moment where people would just yell out, I'm rich bitch. They would just yell it out in shows. People would just yell it out. Yeah. Like, they just kept yelling it out. I'm rich bitch. There was like something they wanted to say. They had to say it. Dude, that show had an impact. A crazy impact. If you really stop and think about it. It did. It's amazing that someone, somehow or another, through whatever, didn't keep that going. I don't know what happened. I don't either. But, God damn, how do you not keep that going? Just back off. Yeah. Back off fulfillment and just let him do it. What happened here? How did you fuck that up? Let's get it. How did you fuck up? That's how I felt when he did SNL a couple years ago. You know, I was like, it's like, that show was passed. That show was passed. There's a lot of everybody's doing different things. You know what I mean? But the show was so, the show was just so iconic. It's hard to forget about it. But it was like, if it, when we did SNL, when he did the Walking Dead spoof. When he did, Jamie, did you see that sketch? He did the Walking Dead, he did a spoof for the Walking Dead. I didn't see this. Oh my God. And this is a recent thing? No, this was SNL. He won an Emmy for this. This was SNL like two years ago. When this scene right here, man, I was saying to myself, this shit is, like, because I hadn't seen him perform as a character actor since the Chappelle show. And he fucking bodied this. The beginning of this shit is ridiculous. It was funny as shit. That one Emmy for like, you know, I have a little special category, like, special, like, a comedy special. Not the premier Emmys, but the ones I'm talking about. Yeah. That's a crazy scene to spoof too, right? That was a terrible, remember that scene? That's the scene, yeah. And the Walking Dead? But he did it. That's like one of the most brutal scenes in all of television. If you really stop and think about it. Like, I couldn't believe what they showed. Like, when they... First episode out too of like, the season, right? Right, I think so. They killed off two or three people? The one dude who they, what was his name? Glenn. Glenn that they kept hitting in the head and you could see his eyeball pop out. I'm like, what are we doing here? See, y'all watch that gory shit. I can't fuck with that. I didn't fuck with it after that. I was like, I can't tell one, dude. I didn't even know I was insistent to this. Yeah, but he made that shit funny. That was some funny shit. Yeah. It was any glimpse of what would be... Oh man, he killed that, brought that back. It was... Well, you know, I mean, again, when you talk about all time sketches. Shit. It was fun, man. How many episodes did it do all total? I don't know. What would two and a half years be? I don't know. I would have saved probably 50 episodes maybe? If that, 50? Was it that many? It was a lot. And another part, not even the sketches, the music, that... The music, that would be a fucking dope ass fucking show just to show the guest. Kanye, Young Kanye, Common, Erykah Badu, everybody used to stop through. What a crazy fucking show. Yep. Do you think he's happier doing that or he's happier doing stand up? I think stand up. He shares a similar personality, a similar personality that you shared and I shared, that Joey Diaz shared, that want to be on stage, want to perform as a stand up. You know what I mean? I can't speak for him. I don't think it's important for him to be on TV. I think it's important for him to be the best comedian he could be. Right. You know how you feel when you think you're working at the top of your game? You just hope everybody acknowledges it at the same time. I think also too, he did it and now he doesn't have anybody to answer to. He did it, the show's done, he did it. Still, in my opinion, I think it's the greatest sketch comedy show of all time. And then to do the things like, it's hard not to talk about him because he's what some people consider the greatest ever to do it. Then you have a relationship with that person, you're not exploiting it but it's just interesting. I've seen his career go to the point where, and this is why I said the last special he did, Sticks and Stones, was so important for comedy because critics and a couple of people were dictating the tone of comedy. Some people second guessing themselves. Right. You know what I mean? I was hearing comedians like, oh I want to say this but I don't feel comfortable. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? You got to say what you want to say. Right. You know? And there was a comic, I won't mention their name, but they wrote a critical article about Dave and Sticks and Stones. And the thing that I found interesting was that they were a comedian writing a critical article, which is all fucked up right out the gate. And I feel as a comedian if you don't know what specials, like Sticks and Stones special, and like with Bill Burr special, what they do for the voice of comedy is saying, this is what we do, that's it, stop. Yeah. You know? Well it seems like the expectations, cultural expectations of how we shouldn't talk about things, they're shifting so quickly. And people like demand compliance for you to behave a certain way. But our profession, we can't come, this is not a profession to comply in. No. We don't do that. It's also like this move towards compliance, I don't, I mean, I think we should just be all nicer to each other. I think this compliance is like something that people, because they think they're right, they think they're going to enforce their idea on people. But it's like the worst way to talk to people. Right son, is this like, be nice, just be nice. Just be nice. I'm going to tell you this, Joe, you probably had this, why, oh, why? It's because I'm gay. No, it's because you're an asshole. No, it has nothing to do about who, dick, you suck or any of that. It's because you're an asshole. You take the asshole out of anything. Yes. The asshole could be in anything. It could be a gay, it could be in white, it could be in anything. Take the asshole out, and you said it. Yo, just what is so hard, Joe, about being nice? What's so hard? We could be better at it.