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Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, author, and host of the podcast “Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.” www.cameronhanes.com
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There's something to that. And there's something, again, for a guy who, you know, for 40 plus years of my life didn't eat Wild Game and then I eat it all the time. Right. It's different. It's different. I get beat up for this too because I guess, you know, vegans can say whatever they want about hunters and it's good to go. I put up, I remember I put up one thing about a vegan. I can't remember what it was. It's like some, their diet and it's like they went from this healthy person to looking pretty sickly. Well, there's a lot of those. It's like a meme joke thing and I'm just like, oh no, actually God. And this is, I'm probably stepping in. I know you can't get canceled, but maybe I can. But I put up something about Canelo because I guess he went vegan. Yeah, he went vegan for his last fight. And all I put up was that worked well. Yeah. I reposted. I reposted in my Instagram stories. I got so much hate for that. You know, and it's like we get crucified for being, you know, killers and meat eaters and all this. I have one joke meme about Canelo who looked awful compared to how he, and the one thing that changed was his diet. And then all of a sudden I'm the bad guy. But anyway, well, there's two things going on there. One be of all is a real legit light heavyweight. And that's only the second light heavyweight that Canelo had fought. The first one was Kovalev, but Kovalev was at the end of his career. Kovalev had lost a bunch of times. He'd been stopped and he wasn't the same guy as he was like when he fought Andre Ward the first time. Kovalev when he was the man, when he was a light heavyweight champion was a real savage. And he was winning that fight with Canelo too, by the way. There's a reason why there's weight classes. And Canelo fought Floyd Mayweather. I believe he fought him at 152 pounds, which is the lightest he's ever fought. Generally he would fight at 154 and then he moved up, fought middleweight and that's where he fought Gernard. I think he fought Triple G, Gernardi Golovkin. I think he fought him at 60 or it might've been super middleweight. Find out. So then there's a jump man. I think it was 160. Golovkin was the middleweight champion. And so that 15 pound jump is giant. So you want to go up and weight and quit eating meat? Let's see what it says here. 60, yeah okay. So they fought twice. They were supposed to fight a third time, but it looks like he's going to have a rematch with Beeville instead. But if you're going to go up. Yeah. Well, it's like he watched that documentary on Netflix. Game changers. There's a lot of, look, if you want to eat only vegan and you want to do it for ethical reasons and you don't want to be involved in animal death, I get it. You don't want to be involved in factory farming, I get it. But it's not true when you say that it gives you a significant athletic performance boost. It doesn't. There's no real proof of that. And they fucked with some reality when they made that. There's no real elite professional athletes at the highest level that I'm aware of that are vegan. I don't think it has the same bioavailability as animal protein. And this is coming from nutritionists that are unbiased and objective. Not coming from guys like the carnivore MD, Paul Saladino, guys who are proselytizing to eat carnivorously. This is just from regular scientists, they'll tell you. You can get as much protein from X amount of broccoli as you can from a steak. The problem is it's not the same kind of protein, it's not as bioavailable. And if, okay, so surviving is one thing. Thriving. Performing or thriving is a whole other thing. You can eat a lot of shit and just get by and not die. That's the real question. But are you trying to be optimum performance at whatever you do? I was a vegetarian for six months. Never tell you that when I was fighting because I was having a really hard time making weight and I wound, I was competing when I was 17, I won the state championship at 140 pounds. And the next weight class was 154. And I was struggling at, I couldn't really get, I wasn't at 140. I was like 153, 154, and I would dehydrate the shit out of myself, make the weight. And then I have to fight on the same day. It was not good. And I was fighting. I didn't, I won, but I felt like shit. I was like, I could have fucked those guys up if I was. Like if I felt my best. Strong, right. And then I did it for a while to try to lean out, but I was just tired all the time. And I know I probably wasn't doing it right. And I've never done it right where you eat pea protein and you make sure you balance your macros and have someone. But when I started eating meat, that's when I became at my best. When I went on my best performance run as a competitor, it was all eating meat. And that's mostly what I ate was meat. I felt a lot different. And that was the only example that I've ever had because it's the only stretch of my life when I was competing, a very intense thing. And I did eat, I ate nothing but vegetables for like a good six months. Six months, that's a long time. It was a long time. I tried as long, because I had, my instructor was very tall and we were from the same weight class. You know, it might have been 140, it might have been 147, whatever it was. I forget what the weight class was, but it was in the 40s. And then he was like 6'3", 6'2", 6'3", and he was in the same weight class as me when he was younger and was competing. So I was like brainwashed thinking like, I'm too short for this fucking weight class, I got to starve myself. But it's just body types. And then did you see Uzman at the last fight with his red leather jacket, no shirt? It's like baller. Well, he's like, you know, if you want to make some noise and get some attention. That's how you do it. Well, he's trying to get that Canelo fight. I know. He wants that big, big money. And maybe Canelo will fight him. Just keep him on salads. Keep him on salads. He's got a pretty good shot. Keep him on salads. I wonder if he'll change his diet because they were actually talking about that in the broadcast. They were saying he seems a little lackadaisical, a little lackluster. I wonder if it's his diet. I don't know. Yeah, after the fight, we were talking about the diet. It's like, I don't know, you know? It's like I never want to say that it won't work for you because there's people out there that I know that are vegan that thrive and they don't have any problem with it. But I don't know how they would do if they eat meat. I mean, maybe they're just fucking unbelievably savage. And if they eat meat, they'd be even better. But if you give them vegetables, they'll still kill it. His quote on it says that sometimes he eats meat still. Oh, I'm not very complicated when it comes to food. I adapt a lot. I adapt quickly. Canelo told ESPN. It's not something I did all of a sudden that I left what I ate before from one day to the next all week. I try to eat what is vegan. And if one day I eat something else, meat, chicken, whatever, I eat it. There is no problem. I don't know what that means really, but that's what he said in response. But that's not if you are an athlete that is eating for performance, like say if you went to that's opposite of me. Yeah. If you went to Mike Dolce or you know, George Lockhart or one of those guys, that is not how they would tell you to eat. They would prescribe a specific amount of protein, specific amount of carbohydrates based on your weight. Right. I mean, they're not saying like sometimes I eat this and sometimes I eat that. I think what's going on is Canelo is so fucking good that he can get away with eating squash and tomatoes and still fuck you up because he's so goddamn good. He's been amazing. He is amazing. And just the fact that he went all the way up to 75, fought Beval, went to the decision, you know, lost the decision but was never in like real trouble. Was never like rocked or dropped or anything like that. And he's fighting two weight classes above his natural weight class. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, it is. He's an amazing fighter. He's amazing. He's one of the greatest of all time, which is why he's willing to take that chance and go up to 175 pounds. But in my mind, if you're an athlete, especially if you're in a combat sport, you need to have everything dialed in. Your recovery. You need to be doing a sauna every day. Ice bath. You need to be eating all the right food, drinking all the white water. They should hydration test you every day. You got hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. That's Canelo Alvarez. I know. He shouldn't be eating fucking plants. Fuck you doing, bro? You're eating celery? We gotta get a steak in you. That's what I was saying, is his approach where he'll eat greens and salads most of the time and every once in a while have meat, I do all meat and every once in a while have a salad. You know when Mike Tyson was in here, he was thanking me for turning him on to Wild Game. Really? Yes. He's been getting Wild Game? Yes. From Bison? I offered to get him some elk, but I never got it to him. We never connected after that. He went to somewhere and got a lot of bison. He was eating a lot of bison before he started training again. He thanked me during the last podcast returning on because I'm always talking about Wild Game. He's like, it made a big difference. That's why I eat now, it's Wild Game. If Mike Tyson says that, I'd fucking listen.