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Billy Corgan is a musician, songwriter, producer, poet, and entrepreneur. His new album "Ogilala" produced by Rick Rubin, is available now.
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Hello freak bitches. He's very physically strong. It's a strange comparison to make but back in the day I used to hang out a lot with Dennis Rodman when he was playing for the Bulls and he had freakish strength kind of similar body like very long yeah, like you wouldn't look at him and think muscles right and Rodman could pick a 250 pound man up with one hand and lift him over a rope I saw him do it at a club. I was acting up and Dennis just reached over the guy picked him up like this And then even people would remember NBA fans Dennis used to guard on there Dennis used to guard shack One-on-one. Yeah, and that was when Shaq was what, you know, 340 years I think Dennis would just and that was when they had the whole thing you couldn't use your hand yet at the elbow and all That stuff he got him one-on-one Freakish strength and you're like you look at him. You think how is that possible? Yeah, some guys just have that weird Mm-hmm, whatever that is. It's a lot of times those long guys, too Something is about long limbs and leverage and it's like they have this if they have as long as they have a certain amount of muscle With that long those long limbs and long leverage. Look at the side look okay freakish And this you know, this is like the air I'm hanging out with Dennis I mean look at Dennis's size compared to Shaq If you didn't know it was Dennis Rodman, it was just some you know, NBA scrub, right? You would think there's no way that guy's gonna guard him one-on-one. Yeah, especially Shaq in his prime there. There's no way. Yeah It's Rodman is a crazy guy Speaking crazy. Yeah, tell you a funny story. I got a good story. Yeah so used to hang out a lot with Dennis and You know hadn't seen him for years was at a restaurant in Chicago not too long ago and and Somebody said oh you guys are friends with Dennis, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's upstairs. Oh really we go upstairs Dennis is crying Oh my god, I miss you guys me and my buddy We're hanging out with them Telling old stories, you know seven or eight years haven't seen him this is great like when you see a buddy you really love and it's really affectionate and Dennis is one of those people at some point. He just gets up and he wanders away I think he's going to take a piss. Okay, about ten minutes goes by I say to the waitress did Dennis leave? Yeah, he left Okay, I just figure he's gone. This is the way he is right. They wouldn't even say goodbye just gone I get up the next morning. I turn the television Dennis Rodman's in North Korea Okay, I by the way, I spent an hour and a half with him he didn't say anything about going to North Korea Oh my god, so I turn on the television. It's like very controversial Dennis Rodman's in North Korea. So I text my buddy and I say Have you seen the news? Know what I say turn on the television and he said what channel I said it doesn't matter And two minutes goes by holy fuck because he went through the same thing, you know Wow. Yeah, what is his deal with that North Korean dude? He just goes over there and hangs out with them and I Genesis really a genuine You know a naive hearted person. So in my best Understanding as he truly believes he can affect the world in a positive way So you nothing like Dennis. There's not a bad bone in Dennis's body Wow Dennis has his issues, but he's not a bad hearted guy So in his kind of crazy Ideological frame he actually thinks he's helping so he thinks he can go over there and talk some sense into that guy or by playing basketball Op, you know, whatever he's yeah That's not a good shot. I mean, you know what I mean? It's it's not a good look but yeah I mean he's hanging around with a murderous dictator Hoping for the best but that's what I mean about the naiveté and I don't mean to cast shade on Dennis I really love Dennis. It's been nothing but a total sweetheart to my to me in my life But I gen Dennis would in a very naive way believe that he's actually helping It's a very gangster move to go over there though I mean, it's just it's it's where the others part side of Dennis it makes a certain sense. It's like I'll do it Yeah, remember when he was dressing up in drag and yeah, you know, it's like I'll be that guy Yeah, so it's somehow it sort of works in his again. I'm not trying to speak for him But he was one of my favorite guys in celebrity rehab because he was like working out every day drinking water Dude, I used to go into the Bulls locker room after games and he would work out after games really We go in to go because we were gonna go out clubbing or whatever and you go in the locker room and he'd be working out We have to sit and wait for him to work out for another 40 minutes after the game and he played It wasn't like he was had a knee injury. I mean he played the whole game Like what kind of workouts you like lifting weights or something treadmill, you know, whatever whatever he was doing Wow, and he wasn't it wasn't like light stretching. It was like Energize it but and then we go out and stay out all night Jesus they quick you want a quick story. So I'm hanging out with the Bulls. It's the first time they're playing, Utah They And it's a very it's a if the series the Bulls probably should have lost but they didn't it's the famous game We're the famous series where Michael had the flu and scored 36 points. I don't know if you know that game It's like one of the most famous games Michael legit had crazy flu and scored 36 and they won the game and they won the series so in between one of those games Dennis knows some billionaire There's a day off we get on the billionaires plane and we fly to Vegas We stay out all night gambling and this is Dennis like You know rubbing dice on people's bodies and throwing the dice so drunk They're bouncing out of the you know, the craps pit I mean just total mess and you're thinking how is this gonna help us win a championship very much a fan mentality I'm thinking, you know naively. I'm gonna kind of rain him in so So we stay out all night We get up then we never go to bed. We get we fly On the private plane back to make the morning press shoot-around back in Utah So we've only been in we've only been in Vegas for like eight hours So 9 a.m. I'm sitting in the stands. I haven't slept at all They do the whatever the shoot-around and Dennis walks up and says let's go back go go back where the hotel no Let's go back to Vegas So after the morning shoot-around drove to the airport to fly commercial because now the billionaires not flying them back again and gets on a plane commercial and Has given me shit because I don't want to go back to Vegas with them Jesus on the off day and This is during the NBA NBA Finals So through some sort of weird, you know how the world works. I end up somewhere. I Don't play I go to play miniature golf or something in Park City Utah where the Bulls were staying and Phil Jackson and his families had just happened to be there unlike an off day and Phil's giving me the Look of death because I'm the one responsible for Dennis going to Vegas the rock star dragged. Yeah You don't understand I'm the one to tell him not to go I want to win a championship or at least I won Now what are you gonna say to Phil Jackson? Have you ever met Phil? Jack? No Phil Jackson is an intimidating guy Okay, he plays very Zen on TV, but in person he's very intimidating six seven six eight and he was legitimately upset at you Let's just say it wasn't a nice encounter And I love Phil Jackson, I mean I love those years I love those teams and I was lucky to be around them a lot. I used to say look watching this team's like 1927 Yankees I mean you will look back very fondly on this time and even be in that bubble at all and it was awesome But yeah, I mean catching shade from Phil Jackson at the height of the Bulls thing It was just so funny and I'm playing miniature golf and you know, this is so uncomfortable That is hilarious