Are Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws Are Abused? | Joe Rogan and Brian Moses

Yeah, my brother and sister lived down there and my brother got a gun pulled on them. Whoa. Yeah, but like a delivery driver. Whoa. So, they're... So, my brother is a little baby, my little niece, and with her is my brother and her in the back. And then he's driving, it's in the neighborhood, he's going the speed limit, right? Like maybe like five to ten miles an hour, maybe a little slower. And there's a delivery driver behind him. Delivery driver gets mad and starts honking at him, is behind him, right? My brother in law pulls into their driveway, delivery driver pulls him behind him and is like, what do you want to do, man? And flashes a gun on him. And my brother, who's like, he's as big as you, he's like a bodybuilder. And he was like, I don't want to do anything, man. He's like, I just want to know why you're honking at me, maybe I can become my daughter in the back. You know, she's like less than a year old. And the guy's just like, I'm not making this a race thing. He's like, I'm not saying this is a race thing. And yeah, so he's just like, well... And my brother was in the military and he kept calling the guy, sir. And the other guy's like, you call me, sir, are you in the military? And he's just like, I am, sir, I am in the military. And he's just like, we get a disgrace to the military. And he's just like, I just went slow enough because my daughter's in the back and you're behind me. So he's like, I don't understand what the deal is here. And the guy just kept just trying to egg him on to try to provoke a fight because of staying on your ground. Yeah. I mean, it was when I heard about it, I was terrified. My sister was shook. She had to come home from work because it's like, you know, the baby's in the back and this guy just like pulled up into your driveway. And he's just like, if Quincy would have made a move and that guy shot him, that guy would have been in the right. How much of that's going on? It's probably happening all the time. Look what happened to Trayvon. That's a uniquely incompetent security guard too, though. I mean, he was getting smashed. He's getting his head bounced off the curb. He's got a 15 year old. You know, that kid was fucking him up when he pulled that gun out. I mean, that happened to Florida too. Wasn't that a parking lot? Right? Where a guy like thought he was being threatened by a dude with his kids in the car and then he shot the guy. There's a parking lot in Florida. I don't know that one. I think they happened to have it last year or something, but that's definitely a recent one. People just having guns all the time seems like a great idea, but the people like that having guns. Yeah. That's when it becomes a problem. Somebody knows that you don't have a gun and they're trying to goad you into something so they could shoot you like a fucking outlaw Josie Wales movie. That's not someone defending themselves. That's the weapon. That's why guns are creepy. It's not creepy because a guy like you has a gun. You're a great guy. You're not going to rob anybody. No, I don't need a gun. You wouldn't have a gun. But if you did have a gun, I wouldn't be nervous. I'd be like, well, Moses has a gun. He can handle it. Yeah, I'm not looking at you. I'm not looking at people that aren't good guys, right? If those good, not good guys get a gun. This was the one he was talking about where the guy was a big standard case. He was like on the ground with his hands up and he got shot still. Really? Like I said, he was felt threatened or something. I believe that's all they need is a reason to. That's all they need is a reason to Florida. He's on the ground on his knees and the guy shot him. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I mean, when do you not shoot someone? If there are if you're willing, are you willing to shoot me, they flattened out? I mean, I thought it was always like if somebody's attacking you, I thought, I mean, that's you're that's you're on the flatter now. Yeah. No, you to offer the money. Please don't hear. Yeah. Here's how much I think my life is. Would you accuse him? I mean, if you shot the guy, the guy was flattened out. What about then? Do you think the same? You know, I'm saying like, do you think like they'd have the same reaction? Because the reaction they had when they saw him with his hands up on his knees. I think they still be mad. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how mad you get. I don't know how mad you are with the gun you have with a weapon in your hand to be like, I can I'm I'm playing God right out of this guy can kill this man right now with this person right here. Right. But yeah, it wouldn't matter. Would they accuse him? What I'm saying is, would they accuse him because they didn't. He got away with it. He got away with it. Right. He was accused, though. Right. He wasn't charged for this. They didn't charge him. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. What? That's what I'm saying. So the guy that he wasn't arrested yet is deciding stay in your ground. I'm reading right here from the AP sheriff won't arrest parking lot shooter. That's also they can't even charge him. No, that's what I'm saying. That's that's like a that's like you can't challenge that rule. Like in football, you can't. That's not a he said he felt threatened. And the black guy was just like, dude, I was on the ground. And there's there's there's closed circuit footage of it. Yep. But my question was, what if he had lied down, lied down flat on the ground with then he be I mean, when would they what? And what would the line be? Would they decide to charge him? You know, I'm saying, right? Right. Because on his knees. OK, will you charge him? He's lying down. Like the guy's lying down. You just execute him. Right. Is that still stand your ground? There is a manslaughter trial, apparently now updated as of June 18. Man slaughter. Oh, he killed that guy. They look to call the sheriff as a defense witness. That's insane. Insane. There's certain people that should never gun right now. There's certain people, a lot of, you know, seasoned law enforcement people and people with good dispositions that would never in their fucking wildest dreams shoot someone who was on their knees, would never threaten anybody with a gun and they have a gun purely for sense for self defense. That's a different thing, you know, but when you have everybody can have a gun. That's you're going to get a certain number of those fucking guys. Yeah. And they think they think they're in the right. I yeah, I think we all got to get guns. I mean, like, is that not the is that not the move? We now get guns. This is America. We can be racist and have guns and be on drugs. Well, you have to be on drugs now. It's new. Right. There's going to it's going to come to a point like, could you imagine how scared are you of your kids to go to school now? Scary, right? Scary. When you have children, you're very vulnerable. You know, you feel you feel more filled with love than ever before. But you also feel more filled with fear because you're worried.