Andrew Doyle's Unveiling as Woke Satirist Titania McGrath | Joe Rogan

This is your unveiling. Okay. Because now people know. People know. Yep, that's it. First of all, Titiana. So this is, I should have chosen an easier name. No one can get it, it's Titania. Titania. Because she's named after the Queen of the Fairies in Midsummer Night's Dream. Tell everybody your real name. My real name's Andrew Doyle. Do you have an issue with people now knowing that Titania or Titania? Titania. Yeah, she totally eclipsed me. I don't have, I'm basically not alive anymore, it's all about her. You know? Well, I can't remember how I found out about you on Twitter, but just laughing really hard at something that you wrote that was so close. You do such a good job of like blurring the line between outrageously woke and satire. Yeah, it's that thing of trying to- There you are. Who's the girl? Oh, there, okay. Yeah, so the girl is a composite of four different women. Well, that's good. Put together because I was worried about, you know, I don't want to get sued or anything like that. Oh, for sure, yeah. So it's not a real human. But you know- Radical intersectionalist poet. That's it. Selfless and brave by my book. Activist healer. But also, I love that she's deadpan because it means that she sort of, look, every time I post something, it's like there's this po-faced woman staring at you, daring you. Yes. Don't you dare sort of challenge me. She could be mean in a way that I'm not. Right. So that's kind of funny, you end up inhabiting this character who just isn't like you. And I do end up thinking like her and I've even dreamt as her and that sounds like a lie but I have. Wow. So that's pretty scary. I have, you know, she'll have to go eventually because I can't deal with that kind of, there's a psychosis, isn't it? Well she's so big now. You have 420,000 followers. It's weird because it happened really quickly. I guess it's because there's a whole cohort of people out there who are just sick of this stuff. Oh, yes. You know, and I, well, it's partly that but also partly because people still fall for her all the time. People constantly think it's real, you know. Oh, all the time. When I retweet you, one of my favorite things to do is read people getting upset at you. Like, that is ridiculous. You think that, that's why Trump was winning and nah. Never ceases to mouse me how angry people get on Twitter with, you know, even with legitimate causes it's like, but I watch that and I think it's fun because I can satirize the left and the sort of, the more liberal side of things through her. But then I can argue with the right wing Trump supporters and stuff and I can mock them as well. Like, so you get to have a go at the extremes. You know what I mean? And I'm so shocked that people still think she's real though. Like even after all this time. Oh, that is not shocking. You're close enough. There's plenty of people and I'll point you to a few of them that I follow. I follow some people where I just bookmark them so they don't know that I follow them. And just some of them are so goddamn fucking crazy. And yet I keep getting told this is like a straw man. These people don't really exist. You're having to go. Oh, they exist. They do. I even once did a, do you remember there was a tweet by, is it Rosanna Arquette who's really, really woke? Rosanna Arquette the actor. I think so. So she did a tweet about how ashamed she was of being white. And then that was her. I think it was her. And then I just cut and paste that tweet and put it out. It was Patricia Arquette. It might have been. It's one of the Arquettes. Yeah. But I did the same tweet. I literally cut and paste it as to Tundra because I thought like, this is, and some people got it that I'd just taken this other viral tweet and some people got the point I was making. But yeah, it's close to, some of them are nuts. Yes. Like, frighteningly so to a point that it's, it's a cult like behavior. It's like, it's, it's like, I think that the basic principles of, you know, standing up against racism, sexism, homophobia, all that stuff is great. Yes. And I think the woke movement isn't that it's a kind of weird cultish pseudo religious thing that is beyond that. So that you're no longer allowed to make mistakes. You can't be redeemed. There's no, there's no, it's, it's, it's, it's got all those hallmarks. Yes. You know, it's like when the early Christians used to burn people out of love, you know, it's that thing. And that's why we get this kind of council culture stuff. And I guess that's why I want to, and maybe that's why it's popular because people are sick of treading around on eggshells, worried about being misinterpreted or even worried about fucking up and making a mistake. I mean, what's wrong with saying something that's every now and then maybe you do say the wrong thing. Well, it should be fine if you're a human being, but part of it is also that things are written down, right? And then when things are written down, you can see them over and over again. If you made a mistake and just said something in normal human conversation, which is how we're supposed to communicate and how we normally communicate, it just comes and goes. Yeah. And it's written down, then it becomes something different. But it's more than that, isn't it? Because I'll give you an example. So there was a guy who was the editor of a cookery magazine in the UK and a vegan freelance journalist emailed him saying, I'd love to do a thing about vegans. And he replied and made some joke about, yeah, you can do something about how we'll force feed the meat and we'll make them eat each other and all that stupid flippant thing. Rather than saying, I was really offended by that. Can we talk about it? I don't think that's appropriate for you to email a freelance journalist. He screenshot the thing, put it on Twitter, made a thing of it and he had to step down. So I think that's the difference is whereas saying to someone, look, calling out a mistake or calling someone out for something they've done that you perceive to be bad, that's all well and good. But when you're using it to advertise how virtuous you are and how you're able to take someone down for the mistake that they made, that troubles me because then it's no longer about really about the issue. Well, I think what we're dealing with when you're talking about woke culture, and I love that you made this comparison to radical religion, because I think they're the same patterns. I think human beings have patterns that they follow and you could say that you're not religious, but you follow these extremely rigid ideologies that don't allow for any variation whatsoever. They force 100% compliance. And if you're not 100% in compliance, they will attack you and you can't be woke enough. One of the things you find in religion is people will, especially in the more radical, dangerous and scary religions, they'll turn on each other. They'll turn on each other for not being pious enough. Yeah, all the time.