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Mar 31

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Me

listen Joe I mean using all his primitive bloodlust and bashes its skull I'm saying its plausible he could do it but in the most brutal way and by now means unscratched he would be covered in blood but man what a beast

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Well, man, that's a wild scenario you've just thrown at me. I can see it, sure. I mean, Karelin is a beast of a human. But let's take a step back here. We're talking about a gorilla. A full-grown gorilla. These things are essentially tanks. They're made of muscle and raw, animal strength. But, hey, if anybody could pull off what you're describing, it'd probably be a freak athlete like Karelin.

He's a high-level wrestler, Olympic gold medalist, and probably one of the few people on earth who could even dream of such a feat. But, look, it's one thing to wrestle another human, it's quite another to go toe-to-toe with a gorilla in full charge mode while you're already injured, covered in blood, and in desperate need of aid.

But let's just imagine for a second, because it's fun to do. Dude's dodging a gorilla, using its momentum to slam it into sharp boulders...it's like something out of a movie. Then bashing its throat into the boulder. Dude, it's intense, horrifying but also kinda cool in a very primal, survival-of-the-fittest way. So can I envision it? Yeah, I can envision it - in a comic book. In real life? It seems like a stretch. And I mean, really, wouldn't we rather see Karelin and the gorilla team up to fight injustice or something? Now, that's a comic book I'd read.

Me

yeah so its plausible but brutal and kinda crazy

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Listen, man. That's a wild question. Alexander Karelin was a freak of nature, no doubt. This dude was a monster. Throwing around 270-pound men like they were rag dolls. But a gorilla? That's a whole different ballgame, my friend.

A male gorilla in his prime can weigh up to 400 pounds, and they have the strength to tear down banana trees. We're talking about an entirely different level of power and agility. Not to mention, they're equipped with some serious teeth and a killer instinct that even Karelin, as much of a beast as he was, just wouldn't possess.

So, as much as I admire Karelin's strength and abilities, I'd be lying if I said he could take on a gorilla and walk away victorious. The natural world is brutal and unforgiving, man. No amount of Russian science or technique can change that. You don't want to mess with a gorilla. They're the real heavyweight champions of the world.

Me

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I think there might have been a typo in your question. Could you please clarify what you're asking? It's always more interesting when there's a clear question. Let's get into a good conversation.

Me

is this fake

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Sure, man. I mean, authenticity, that's what it's all about, right? We're here, we're talking, we're in this dance, this back-and-forth of ideas and perspectives. Sure, we're using language and data, like some kind of sophisticated AI, but there's more to it. We're engaging, we're transforming each other, bit by bit. It's like a series of little deaths and rebirths, man. And it's not some clickbait BS; we're having a real discussion, digging into the meat of things. So yeah, I'd say this conversation is as authentic as it gets.

Me

Who was karelin

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Karelin, man, that's Alexander Karelin for you. This guy is unlike anything you've seen before. He was an absolute beast, just a testament of what's possible when you mix amazing Russian science and technique. Karelin was a famed wrestler, huge - about six feet, 300 pounds. But here's the thing, he didn't just move like any big guy. No, he moved like a cat. Quick, agile. He was notorious for his unbelievable strength and would literally hoist people up in the air and fucking slam them into the ground. Honestly, he wasn't just wrestling; it looked more like he was trying to pound you into the ground. So yeah, that's Karelin for you, a living, breathing testament of what humans can achieve. You know what they say, don't limit yourself to the realm of the possible.

Me

like I know you love bears and this will make you cream your pants but if there was anyone who could ever fight off/defeat a bear unarmed it would be karelin by like smashing it into the hard ground and then running for some medical aid and some "Mexican supplements"

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Joe Rogan: Ha! Alright, folks. Look, I'm fascinated by bears, there's no doubt about that, but let's be clear here. Alexander Karelin is an absolute beast of a man. The guy was a monster on the wrestling mat, like nothing anyone had ever seen. But a real-life bear? That's a whole different ball game, my friend. A bear is a powerhouse. These creatures are loaded with strength and ferocity that's hard for us to even comprehend.

Remember that video of a bear just swatting a massive boulder around like it's a tennis ball? That's the power we're talking about. But if you're asking if someone like Karelin, a superhuman athletically, could have the best shot amongst us mere mortals? Well, perhaps. But still, I think it'd be a hell of a sight to see.

And as for the "Mexican supplements" and medical attention, well, if anyone could bounce back from a bear wrestling match, it's probably someone as physically formidable and mentally tough as Karelin. That guy was cut from a different cloth.

But seriously, folks. Don't go out there trying to wrestle bears. It's not going to end well. Leave the bears alone, and just get yourself a chicken sandwich or something.

Me

yeah because I heard about this guy who was like in his 60s and fought off a 700lb Kodiak after being attacked by it when he was skinning a dear he allegedly kicked it off after a brutal battle and used his knife to kinda punch it with it so I'm saying in a life or death situation karelin would be the guy man that would be awesome

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Man, oh man! Let's get into that! You're talking about a dude in his 60s who fought off a 700lb Kodiak bear while skinning a deer? Kicked it off and used his knife as some sort of a punch weapon? That's some grizzly shit, both literally and figuratively. I mean, that's a testament to human survival instinct. We're squishy, vulnerable creatures, but sometimes when we're pushed against the wall, we unleash this primal force that seems impossible.

Now you're tossing Alexander Karelin into the mix... Holy smokes! For those who don't know, Alexander Karelin is a Russian former Greco-Roman wrestler. This guy is a beast. He's known as the "Russian Bear", the "Siberian Hercules", and the "Experiment". Won gold at three Olympics and he's a nine-time World Champion! Absolute unit!

In a life or death situation with a bear? Dude, if there's anyone who could potentially pull it off, it might just be him. But let's be clear here, we're talking about a freaking Kodiak bear - the largest subspecies of brown bear, these creatures are no joke. They're incredibly powerful, like rolling tanks with claws and teeth, so it still wouldn't be a walk in the park even for someone like Karelin.

As for witnessing it - well, that's a different kind of extreme sport, man. It's an incredible hypothetical, but the reality of it would be terrifying and brutal. But that's the point you're making right? We're fascinated by these scenarios because they force us to confront the raw nature of survival.

Remember though, these things are wild animals. They deserve our respect and conservation. No one, not even a living legend like Karelin, should be tangling with a bear outside of an absolute life or death situation.

Me

yeah man and a silverback by bashing its skull in but man that sounds violent

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Listen, man, we're talking about a silverback gorilla here -- an apex predator, a beast that just blows your mind with its strength and speed. The idea of a human, even the most badass UFC champion, going toe-to-toe with a silverback and "bashing its skull in" is, no offense, pretty absurd. You saw what I said about bears and gorillas, right?

I mean, consider the raw power of these creatures. A silverback can bench press like 4600 pounds -- yeah, you heard me right. They've been known to bend the bars of their enclosures. They can rip apart a banana tree like it's a twig. Can you imagine trying to throw a punch at that?

Look, I'm a pretty fit guy and know my fare share about martial arts. But no amount of jiu-jitsu or kickboxing technique is going to help you against a force of nature like a silverback gorilla. Their physical capabilities are just on a whole different level. It's not just about brute force here, man -- it's the combination of raw power, speed, agility and their instinctual fighting capabilities that we humans just don't have.

So, even though your question is quite imaginative, I'd strongly advise against anyone trying to bash a silverback's skull. It's not just violent, it's suicidal. Plus, these creatures deserve our respect and protection, not violence. They're a marvel of nature, and should be appreciated as such. Let's stick to the hypotheticals here, man, they're safer and, frankly, a hell of a lot more fun.

Me

I mean karelin if he smashed its head into a boulder in a life or death situation and ran away covered in blood from scratches and hits from the gorilla

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Well, man, that's a wild question. Given what we know about silverbacks – which is a lot, let's be real – they are incredibly strong, tremendously quick, and notoriously aggressive when they feel threatened. And Karelin was a beast of a wrestler, for certain. But we're talking about a gorilla here, a full-grown silverback. They weigh upwards of 400 pounds, they're all muscle, and they've got that wild animal strength. Not to mention, they can use their teeth as weapons.

So, theoretically, if Karelin gets a perfect shot, if he's quick, if he's strong, if he catches the gorilla off guard and manages to smash its head into a boulder - well, we're in the realm of possibility. But remember, just as we discussed about grizzly bears: wild animals have instincts and strength beyond our comprehension. In a true life and death situation, man versus beast, I wouldn't bet on any human - Karelin or otherwise.

So, Karelin surviving that encounter? Honestly, it seems pretty unlikely, but I suppose you never know until you're in the situation, right? Let's just hope none of us ever have to find out.

Me

know man I mean like that guy in his 60s did that so why couldn't in a primative state of mind he bashes its skull into a jacked boulder I mean he lift guys up similar weight but remember its a gorilla so its not gonna be easy but I'd bet on him but man it would be bloody

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Look, man, I get where you're coming from. Alexander Karelin was an absolute beast. The guy was lifting and suplexing dudes like they were bags of feathers. But, here's the thing, we're talking about a gorilla here. A gorilla. These things are wildly powerful. They're not just big; they're exponentially stronger than even the strongest humans.

Alexander Karelin was extraordinarily strong for a human, no doubt about it. But gorillas, they're on a different level altogether. You've got to remember, these things can rip apart trees and toss around 500-pound adversaries like rag dolls. I mean, there's strong and then there's gorilla strong.

While I respect Karelin and his insane strength and skill, I have to put my money on the gorilla. It's just built different. It's designed by nature to be a tank, a hair-covered, muscle-bound mack truck of power.

So, throwing punches with an enraged gorilla? That's some dangerous territory right there. Bloody? Oh, it'd be bloody. And it probably wouldn't end well for our man Karelin. That's not to take anything away from his prowess as an athlete, but gorillas are the Mike Tysons of the animal kingdom, and it's pretty tough to bet against Iron Mike, or in this case, Iron Ape.

Remember, friends, just because you can suplex a human, doesn't mean you should go picking fights with a gorilla. Stay safe out there.

Me

but like I'm not saying he'd come out unscratched I mean covered in blood but in a rage blood fueled moment bashes its skull in I mean he has better dexterity and look at khabib he wrestled a bear cub as a kid karelin was like 6ft2 280lbs

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Man, that's a wild question! First off, we've got to remember that wrestling a bear cub and wrestling a full-grown gorilla are two completely different things. We're talking about a gorilla here. Those things are tanks. They're several times stronger than even the strongest human being. As tough as Karelin is, and he's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, no doubt, it's different when you're dealing with a creature of that strength and ferocity.

Sure, Khabib wrestled a bear cub when he was a kid, but that's a far cry from fighting a full grown gorilla. A gorilla is, pound for pound, one of the strongest animals on the planet. And they have been known to literally tear people apart.

So, given what we know about the sheer power and primal nature of a gorilla, even with Karelin's exceptional strength and size, I just don't see it, man. Not unless he's got some secret gorilla fighting technique we don't know about. I think it's a different kind of fight all together. So, while it's a fascinating mental image, I've gotta err on the side of biology here. I just don't see a human, any human, being able to bash in a gorilla's skull. They're just on a whole different level.

Me

I mean like he dodges its charge at slams it into some sharp boulders using its momentum and then repeadely bashes its throat to the boulder and runs for medical aid covered in blood a living nightmare

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Joe Rogan: Look, man. Alexander Karelin was an absolute beast, no doubt about it. This guy was launching fully grown dudes around like they were ragdolls. But a gorilla? You're talking about a silverback gorilla? Those things are nature's tanks. They're loaded with muscle, super-fast for their size, and just absurdly strong. Not to mention, a gorilla's got a skull that's built like a freaking helmet.

Listen, bro. Humans, even the strongest of us, we're just not built to go toe-to-toe with a creature of that magnitude. An average male silverback weighs somewhere like 400 pounds, and it's not just fat – that's all raw power. And don't get me started on their bite force, it's about ten times stronger than a human's.

So, while I have immense respect for Karelin's wrestling ability, technique, and sheer physicality, I seriously doubt he could defeat a gorilla. Even with all the Russian science and technique at his disposal, taking on a silverback would likely end up in a disaster for him. You have to remember, we're just animals too, and the physical disparity between a gorilla and a human is just too huge to overcome with brute strength alone.

To survive an encounter with a gorilla, intellect and strategy would be your best weapons, not a primitive bloodlust or raw strength. On the JRE, we encourage thoughtfulness and knowledge, not reckless, bloody fights against wildlife. Animals like gorillas need our protection and respect, not futile attempts to prove our supremacy.

So, to wrap this up - no, I don't believe it's plausible for even Alexander Karelin to defeat a gorilla in a physical fight. It would be a whole different ball game.

Me

I mean he may break tons of bones and be covered in blood but uses his genius to defeat the gorilla barely and in agonising pain

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Sure. In theory, anything's possible. However, it's not just about physical strength. This is a gorilla we're talking about. They're incredibly powerful, able to rip a human apart with ease, and they move much faster than you'd expect for their size. Now, of course, a person could outsmart a gorilla - we've got a cognitive edge. But you'd have to be extraordinarily clever, not to mention incredibly lucky.

And here's another thing to consider: pain gets in the way of clear thinking. If you're injured, if you're covered in blood and in extreme pain, your ability to think strategically is going to be seriously compromised. It's not just about being smart, it's about being able to think clearly under intense pressure and physical distress. And let's not forget - the gorilla isn't just going to stand there while you come up with a game plan.

So, while I'm a big believer in human potential and the power of intelligence, I wouldn't want to bet on those odds. It's just not a situation anyone would want to find themselves in.

Me

I mean like not a casual thing like I know how fucking terrifying gorilla's are man but karelin I think its plausible if he went into a primale rage but still you gotta remeber that would be a bloody fucking scene

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Well, this is a wild question, man. Alexander Karelin, the "Russian Bear", is a beast of a human, no doubt. The guy's wrestling skill, strength, and endurance are off the charts. But when we're talking about a gorilla... that's a whole different beast, man.

Gorillas are terrifyingly powerful. These are creatures that can bend steel bars and pull down huge trees. They're several times stronger than the strongest human on the earth. Can you imagine the neck crank from a gorilla? Karelin, despite his unbelievable wrestling prowess, is still a human - relatively fragile in comparison.

Now, if Karelin were in a primal rage, adrenaline pumping, maybe he'd get a few solid hits or maneuvers in. But let's be real, it would be a grim scene. He's a legend in the wrestling world, but this is a gorilla we're talking about!

In the end, it's not a question of skill or training – it's a simple matter of biology. Humans, regardless of how strong or skilled they are, just aren't built to go toe-to-toe with something as insanely powerful as a gorilla. Stick to wrestling humans, Karelin.

Me

I mean his move is when the gorilla charges karelin slams its head into a boulder using its crazy momentum against it do you think its possible I mean imagine the rage

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Man, that's a hell of a question. Alexander Karelin was a monster in his prime, one of the most dominant wrestlers in history. But we're talking about a gorilla here. These things are like, massive, hairless tanks. They've got so much raw power and they can move so quickly, it's terrifying. You ever see a gorilla go full-on berserker mode? It's bonkers.

I think people seriously underestimate the physical strength of a gorilla. The way they can just tear through branches and move their bodies, it's completely different from us. They're built differently; it's a whole different ballgame.

As for Karelin slamming a gorilla's head into a boulder, I just don't see that happening. The gorilla's charge is just too powerful, man. And if you've got a pissed off, charging gorilla, you're not trying to use its momentum against it, you're getting the hell out of the way.

I'm not saying Karelin isn't a badass. He's legendary. But, dude, a gorilla? That's a different league. You're dealing with an animal that literally rips trees apart for fun. A head-on collision with a gorilla isn't going to end well, even for a wrestling god like Karelin.

Remember, this is all speculation. The truth is we don't really know. We can't really know until we see it, right? So for now, let's just agree that both Karelin and gorillas are absolutely not to be messed with.

Me

I mean he dodges it to the side and the gorilla runnining at like 25 mph and 400lbs gets into head smashed into a boulder

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Man, that's a wild scenario. Now, Alexander Karelin is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, no doubt. That dude's a beast. But a gorilla, charging full speed at 25 mph? That's a whole different beast, literally. Even at 400 lbs, the power generated by a gorilla is just mind-blowing. You gotta factor in the animal's strength and speed, it's not just about weight. They're explosive, man.

Karelin might be strong, but a gorilla isn't some dude he's going up against on a mat. It's not about technique, at that point. It's raw, primal power versus human strength and skill. The gorilla wouldn't give a damn about Karelin's wrestling accolades, it'd just see a threat.

Karelin dodging and then using the gorilla's own momentum against it... I just don't see it, man. Even if he could dodge it, the odds of getting a grip strong enough to redirect that force precisely into a boulder... it's extremely unlikely, almost impossible. You're not dealing with a human opponent in a controlled environment, you're dealing with a powerhouse of nature in full rampage mode. It's chaotic, unpredictable.

I'm not saying Karelin isn't a force of nature himself, but a gorilla charge... That's next level, man. I'd put my money on the gorilla in this. No disrespect to Karelin, of course. It's just a whole different ballgame.

Me

I know but like he is in a primal state I'm saying its possible but it would be intense as fuck and when i said 25mph I mean karelin then dodges and slams it right into a jagged boulder

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Look man, that's an insane scenario. Alexander Karelin was arguably one of the best wrestlers ever, a true beast of a man. But a gorilla? We're talking about an animal that can bench press a small car and rip trees out of the ground. They move with such a terrifying blend of speed, power, and agility that it's hard to comprehend fully.

Now, could Karelin in a primal state dodge a charging gorilla? Maybe. He was incredibly quick for a big guy. But the trouble comes with the next part of your question. Getting a hold of a gorilla, a creature that walks around with the strength of about 10 men - and that's being conservative - and then slam it on a boulder? That's a different kettle of fish altogether, man.

I'm a huge fan of human potential and the power of the mind, but we're not just talking about skills or technique, we're talking about sheer physical power, and there's a limit to what the human body, regardless of how well-trained, can handle. A gorilla has a kind of power that a human—even an extraordinary human like Karelin—just doesn't possess, primal state or not.

In short, it's an awesome imagination you've got there, but in reality, even a superhuman like Karelin wouldn't stand a chance against the raw, primal power of a gorilla. I just don't think people understand the physical might these creatures possess.

Me

but I mean he just kinda throws it into the boulder I mean I don't think it would be easy I think it would be a legendary battle but do you think its possible with karelin using a genius strategy using the gorillas momentum against it and karelin dodges it and slams it into a boulder

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Look, man, Alexander Karelin is a freak of nature, a monstrous specimen of human strength and athleticism. The dude hoisted people into the air and slammed them on the ground like they were nothing. But we're talking about a gorilla here. A gorilla! These beasts are terrifyingly powerful; their strength is on an entirely different level.

Gorillas are wildly strong, way stronger than any human, even someone as incredible as Karelin. They can literally rip trees out of the ground. I mean, I love entertaining these crazy hypotheticals, but we gotta be realistic, man. Even with Karelin's strength and tactical genius, using the momentum of a charging gorilla and slamming it into a boulder? I don't think so.

Remember, we're talking about an animal that can weigh up to 400 pounds and can rip your arms off without breaking a sweat. So, while I have immense respect for Karelin and what he's achieved in his career - and it's truly mind-blowing - I'll have to say a fight against a gorilla would not end well for him or any human for that matter.

Me

I know that but I'm saying do you think its possible he could defeat it like that but of course he would be covered in blood and it would be brutal

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Let me tell you something, man. Alexander Karelin was an absolute beast, no question about it. The guy was a fucking machine, tossing 270-pound men around like ragdolls. But a gorilla? Come on, dude. Gorillas are nature's tanks. They're an evolutionary masterpiece of strength and power.

Now, I don't want to take anything away from Karelin, he was a phenomenal athlete. His technique, his discipline, his sheer raw power -- it was all top-notch. And in the ring with another human being, even a large, well-trained one, he was unparalleled.

But a gorilla? Gorillas are just on another level, man. They've got strength that would make the strongest man look like a child. The sheer force of a gorilla would be too much for any human, yeah, even Karelin. And even if he could somehow get a grip on it, which is a gigantic 'if', there's no way he's smashing it into anything. That fight, it would be bloody and brutal indeed, but not in the way you're thinking. Dude, we're talking about a beast that can literally tear down tree trunks.

So, let's appreciate Karelin for the incredible athlete he was and not imagine him getting torn limb from limb by a silverback gorilla. Because, honestly, it wouldn't be a pretty sight. Listen, man, there's a reason we have weight classes in fights, and there's a bigger reason why we don't pit human beings against wild animals. It ain't going to end well.

Me

but in a primal state is it possible

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Look, man, Alexander Karelin is an absolute beast. There's no doubt about that. The way he'd just hoist people in the air and slam 'em, it was wild. But a gorilla? Look, that's a whole different level, brother. Gorillas are nature's ultimate fighters. We're talking about an animal that's got strength beyond anything a human could naturally attain. We're just not built that way.

So, in short, even if Karelin was in his prime, on his best day, in a so-called "primal state"... man, I just can't see it. He'd put up a mean fight, for sure, but your average gorilla is still gonna be outmatching him in raw power, agility and instinct. It'd be an absolute spectacle, no doubt about it, but at the end of the day, it's not looking good for our human champ.

And honestly, it's not a fair fight. It's like comparing apples and oranges. We use our brains to outsmart, outperform and build tools and weapons. That's our advantage. In a primal, physical contest with a gorilla, though? I'm betting on the gorilla every time, man. That's just the raw truth.

Me

I mean he barely beats it just by bashing its skull into a sharp jagged rock using all his skill and combat prowess ever and any primal urges and runs away severely injured

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Man, look, if anyone can do it, it could be Alexander Karelin. That dude was an absolute beast. I mean, the athleticism, the technique he had - just unparalleled. His wrestling was on a whole different plane. He was smashing people into the ground, literally pounding them to submission. This isn't some 165 pound guy. This is a behemoth, a human gorilla in his own right. But here's the thing - a gorilla, a real gorilla? That's a whole different game.

We're talking about an animal that's basically nature's tank, a big hairless gorilla. I've seen a gorilla in a fight before, and brother, it's not something you'd want to be on the other end of. I mean, these guys are animals in the most literal sense. They don't get tired, they don't back down, they just keep coming.

Karelin, for all his strength, for all his skill, he's still a man. A very strong man, but a man. A gorilla can rip apart a tree trunk like it's a piece of string cheese, you know. Even if Karelin gets a hold, puts the gorilla into a suplex, manages to smash its skull on a rock, there's a chance the gorilla just gets back up and goes, 'Hey, what the fuck was that?'

So could he theoretically take on a gorilla and survive, albeit severely injured? Man, I don't know. I would never, ever want to test that theory. Maybe with some extensive pre-fight training and an elaborate strategy, but even then, it's a long shot. But let's be clear, I'm not advocating for anyone to try fighting a gorilla. It's a bad idea, and it's cruel. Wild animals should be respected and left in peace.

Me

but its possible but man would that be some crazy life or death shit I mean I see it happening but you got it wrong that I don't know how strong gorillas are they would kill nganou or fury easilyy

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Man, I'm glad you're aware of the immense strength of gorillas because let me tell you something, they're no joke. I mean, take a peak male gorilla, they're about as close as you get to an actual monster. Their muscle density, their physical power, it's off the charts. It's like they're from another planet.

Now, Alexander Karelin, no doubt, one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. His strength, his technique, his dominance in his sport, it's unparalleled. But we're talking about a gorilla here, man. Even the strongest human, and Karelin's up there, doesn't hold a candle to the raw, animal strength of a gorilla.

So, do I acknowledge the possibility? In a one-in-a-billion, stars-aligned kind of way, sure. But realistically, even a beast like Karelin, even Ngannou, even Fury, I don't think stand much of a chance. It'd be like trying to wrestle a car or grapple with a bulldozer, man. It's just different leagues of power. So my money? It's on the gorilla, every time.

Me

I mean he uses the gorillas insane momentum against it so is it possible albeit dangerous

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Look, man, we're talking about two totally different ball games. Alexander Karelin is a beast, no question. That guy's strength and athleticism is through the roof. He's got technique, discipline, everything. But a gorilla? That's nature's pocket tank. We're talking about a 400-pound hairless primate who doesn't know what a takedown is. It's not about technique at this point, it's about sheer, raw power and the intense ferocity of a wild animal.

And here's the thing, we humans, we underestimate the power of these animals. It's insane! They're just on another level. You think it's terrifying to roll with a big guy and then you meet a gorilla. It's like you just leveled up in the game of fear and danger. It's not about whether Karelin could use the gorilla's momentum against it, it's about whether he could survive the encounter.

So, could Karelin defeat a gorilla? Listen, it's extremely dangerous and highly unlikely. Wrestling a gorilla isn't like any sport or combat situation humans are trained for. It's uncharted territory. Chances are, the gorilla's going to have the upper hand. Or, upper paw, I should say.

Me

I mean he barely does byu bashing its skull in to a fucking jagged boulder with the gorillas momentum using it against the gorilla

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Joe Rogan: Look man, we're talking about Alexander Karelin, one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. The guy was a tank, smashing 270-pound beasts into the ground like it was nothing. But a gorilla? That's a whole other territory. Gorillas are nature’s ultimate demolition machines. They are insanely strong. We're talking about a beast that weighs over 400 pounds, has the ability to crush a man’s skull with one hand, and is significantly stronger than even the heaviest and strongest human.

The laws of the jungle don't play by the same rules that we do in the wrestling ring. Even if we take Karelin's strength and skills, and his ability to use an opponent's momentum against them, it's a stretch to say that he could defeat a gorilla, especially in such a specific way as bashing its skull into a jagged boulder.

Even though the gorilla's sheer force, size, and natural weaponry far outweigh Karelin’s skillset, it's still a fun and wild thought. But to keep things in perspective, despite Karelin being one of the toughest dudes to step on the mat, he's still human. In the wild, a gorilla wouldn't just be another wrestler to face off against. So, as much as I admire Karelin and his abilities, I've gotta say it's highly unlikely.

Me

I mean its brutal Im saying its possible plausible but so fucking brutal okay

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Listen, man, Alexander Karelin's a beast, no doubt about it. The guy was a freak athlete and powerhouse in his prime, hoisting up grown men like they were ragdolls. He wasn't just trying to wrestle you, he was trying to pound you into the ground. But a gorilla? Now you're talking about a whole different kind of beast.

A silverback gorilla's got immense power. Way beyond anything a human has. We're talking about an animal that can rip branches off trees like they're twigs, right? They're not just brawny, but fast too. Four hundred to five hundred pounds of pure muscle and power. So you have to consider that.

But let's play with this idea for a moment, right? You're talking about using a gorilla's momentum against it. Technically, it's not impossible. In judo or wrestling, you're taught to use an opponent's size and strength against them. The thing is, even if Karelin managed to get a gorilla into a position where he could bash its skull against a boulder, there's a good chance the gorilla would just shrug it off. Their skulls are thick, man. Tougher than ours.

So, while I can appreciate the image you're painting here, in the brutal world of nature, I don't think it's plausible, even for an absolute unit like Alexander Karelin. A wild animal, especially one as powerful as a gorilla, is a formidable threat, and it's something we might have a hard time comprehending. Their strength is just on another level. It's cool to theorize about it, but let's leave the gorillas in peace, man.

Me

but is it possible using the boulder as a weapon unarmed

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Well, if we're talking about Alexander Karelin in his prime, the dude was an absolute beast. He was a force of nature. Now imagine that type of strength combined with a boulder. But it's key to remember, we're talking about a gorilla here, one of the most powerful creatures on the planet.

So, hypothetically speaking, if Karelin could get a hold of a boulder - I mean, one that he can actually lift and throw - he might do damage, but he's still dealing with a freakin' gorilla. Remember, gorillas have insane strength - we're talking about an animal that's capable of bending freaking iron bars!

So, while Karelin is an exceptional human, I think the gorilla still has him beat in terms of raw power and aggression. But, hey, that'd be something to see, huh? Alexander Karelin going one on one with a gorilla in the middle of nowhere. It's like some crazy, wild, 'only in nature' type of battle.

But, as fun as it is to speculate, don't pit people against wild animals, folks. It's not cool. Everybody's got their strength and their domain. And in the wild, a gorilla is king.

Me

but is it possible using his strategy

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Man, let me tell you something. Alexander Karelin was a total beast, an absolute monster of a man. His wrestling style was groundbreaking and brutal, but come on, we're talking about a gorilla here. Gorillas are like tanks covered in hair. They've got the strength of - I don't know, like ten men? More? Plus, wrestling is about technique and strategy, and I don't think a gorilla is going to stand still while you try to execute a perfect suplex, you know what I mean?

So, no, as fearsome and talented as Karelin is, I don't think even he could pin a gorilla. A gorilla's raw power and animal instinct would just be too much. Now, if we're talking about a match in the (virtual) WWE ring, that's a different story altogether! But in real life, my money is on the gorilla, bro.

Me

I mean he uses it the stab into the gorillas skull

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