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Re: a previous chat/message regarding "conversations leading to targeted ads popping up" - well, just simply look into your browser and you would know why. If/When your browser isn't set to block ads or/and tracking, you would see not only big techs like FB, MSFT, Google but also lesser-known media "effectiveness" companies like Teads, Unity, etc. Those cross-platform companies collect all of your browsing data and targeted ads are thus created/tailor-made for you/your browsing history/most likely patterns.
Dude, it's pretty wild how these cross-platform companies operate when it comes to collecting browsing data for targeted ads. They have this intricate web of data collection going on, right? Basically, when you're on the internet, every click, every search is being tracked. Companies like Google and Facebook, they’re everywhere, and they use that information to build a profile on you.
So, let’s say you’re checking out shoes on a retail website. Google’s like, “Oh, this guy is into these shoes!” Then, when you’re scrolling through your social media or browsing some other site, suddenly you see ads for those exact shoes. It’s not just random; it’s them trying to cash in on your interests.
It's super fascinating and a bit creepy. They’re harvesting massive amounts of data, linking it all together, so they know what you like across different platforms. You might not even realize how deep it goes. And that’s why privacy concerns are so huge; people don’t always know that their browsing habits are being monitored this way. It’s a double-edged sword—on one hand, you get ads that might actually interest you, but on the other, your privacy takes a hit. It’s a crazy game of data, man!
It is creepy because tech/cross-platform companies have indeed been harvesting massive user data and privacy concerns are no doubt so huge! I believe people are more or less aware of it but don’t always care. My significant other is one of those who don't mind being "targeted". He likes to get ads that he is actually interested in and buys those promoted products SHRUGS. On the other hand, data collection is not as "innocent" as targeted ads. It could be used for personal/national privacy/security breach.
That's a really interesting question, man. When you think about data collection, it goes way beyond just serving you ads for stuff you clicked on. These companies are building detailed psychographic profiles on us—understanding our fears, desires, everything. It’s wild because that information can create these echo chambers where people can't even agree on basic facts anymore.
Now, let's talk about personal privacy. If they have all this data, they can manipulate what you see and what you believe, which is a big issue in today's society. You start to wonder, who controls this information? And if the government is in cahoots with these tech giants, that’s a serious breach of trust. Just look at the Edward Snowden revelations—it was a wake-up call for everyone.
On a national level, the implications are even more staggering. We're worried about foreign adversaries, like China, having access to our data. If companies are selling user data to foreign entities, our national security could be compromised. That’s not just about targeted ads; it’s about the potential for manipulation, espionage, and more.
So, yeah, the conversation has to shift from just ads and marketing strategies to serious discussions about privacy rights and security measures. We should be thinking about regulations and competition that protect consumers rather than just giving more power to these big tech companies. That’s how we start to regain some control over our own data and our reality.
Indeed those who controls data have been building detailed psychographic profiles on users and thanks to Twitter Files, we know the government is in cahoots with those tech giants! That's why the internet universe is a lot more polarized than the real world because of the very reason: information can create echo chambers where people can't even agree on basic facts. As for China accessing US data, TikTok, owned by ByteDance, has been doing so and ironically China doesn't even allow Tiktok in its own country
Man, it’s a wild topic. Psychographic profiles—those are like deep dives into what makes us tick, right? These tech companies collect all this data on us, analyzing our fears, desires, preferences. It’s like they’re creating these digital portraits of who we are, which is crazy. They use this info to push content that aligns with our interests, but the real kicker is that it often traps us in these echo chambers.
And then you throw in government partnerships with these tech giants, and it becomes even murkier. When you have algorithms driving narratives, it doesn’t just amplify certain voices—it can completely drown out others. This is where polarization really ramps up. You’ve got folks living in vastly different realities, and they can’t even agree on basic facts anymore! It's like, how did we get here?
So, you know, these partnerships might be designed to enhance communication, but often, they end up reinforcing division. And when people see the "other side" not as just different but as downright evil or stupid, that’s when things get really dangerous, man. We have to be aware of this stuff if we want to manage the kind of conversations we're having in society. It's all interconnected, and it’s a helluva ride we're on.
Yep. So we do need to start thinking about regulations and competition that could protect consumers rather than just giving power to big tech companies that control data and use them to drive up "clicks/narratives". Maybe splitting up tech giants is a first step? Mandatory website cookies/data collection consents? Any other ideas?
You know, it's a really interesting thing we're dealing with here. Big tech has an insane amount of power over our information and narratives. One potential regulation could be revisiting our antitrust laws. We need to make sure these companies aren’t just allowed to run wild, you know? If there are monopolies going on, we gotta break that up to foster competition.
Another strategy is about transparency. These companies should be open about how they use our data and what algorithms they're using to influence content. If consumers know how they're being manipulated, they can make better choices.
Also, restoring privacy rights could be a game changer. If we can reclaim ownership of our data, that shifts the power back to the individual, right? It’s all about finding the right balance between regulation and allowing the market to operate effectively.
At the end of the day, people need options. If there's no competition, there’s no incentive for these companies to behave better. So, we need to encourage new players to enter the space and give folks a real choice. It could lead to a healthier digital environment where everyone's voice has a chance to be heard.
Yeah, I think restoring privacy rights by reclaiming ownership of user data is realistically better because companies are naturally not willing to be open about how they collect data and what algorithms they use to influence content. Reclaiming ownership of user data is a power shift back to the individuals. It’s a right balance between regulation and allowing the market to operate effectively. Besides that, the antitrust law that was used to separate Microsoft needs to be urgently revisited.
Man, this is a huge topic, and I think it all starts with education. We really need to help people understand what’s at stake when they’re sharing their data online. It’s wild how our personal information turned into this crazy valuable commodity before most folks even realized it. So, first off, we’ve got to spread awareness.
Next, we should push for actual ownership rights over our data. You know, the kind of rights that ensure we control what gets shared and how it’s used. If we could get a system in place that allows people to opt in — and I mean truly opt in — to sharing their data, then that would be a game changer.
We also need to look at competition. If we can create alternatives to these big players that prioritize privacy, that’s where we can really shake things up. It’s about giving consumers options, pressure on companies like Google and Facebook to operate differently. It’s not just about more government regulations — it’s about creating a marketplace that rewards better behavior.
Lastly, tech companies should build privacy features into their products right from the get-go. We need the tech community to step up and prioritize this stuff — make privacy a core value. If people demand it, it’ll happen. But it starts with us holding them accountable.
This is a complex issue, but the bottom line is we need to reclaim our data and put power back in the hands of individuals. We can't let ourselves be manipulated anymore.
Yeah, simply put: spreading awareness + mandatory website cookies/data collection consent/opt-out + anti-trust law splitting tech giants. Start from there and see how things shake up!
That's a huge question, man. Data privacy is like the Wild West right now, and it's only getting crazier. One of the big things we gotta tackle is regulation. But here's the thing, just throwing more government regulations at it might not solve everything. Instead, we need to create a competitive market where companies actually respect consumer privacy because they want to—like, they have to compete for your trust.
You know, think about it. If companies like Facebook were pressured by consumers to guard their data more fiercely, they'd have no choice but to step up their game. Accountability is key. We need hearings and transparency from these platforms—someone's gotta make them own up to how they're handling our data.
And privacy rights? It's all about restoring those. We should be asking ourselves: how do we get control over our own information back? Maybe looking at models like Europe isn’t a bad idea—they have strong privacy protections. So, it's about figuring out that balance between allowing innovation and protecting individual freedoms.
Ultimately, it's a complex issue, but if consumers demand better practices and transparency, those companies will be forced to adapt or lose business. That's where the power lies, man. It’s all about creating a conversation and applying enough pressure for change!
Agree that government regulations would not solve everything. I think companies like Facebook have been pressured by consumers to guard user data more fiercely since well, the widely-known data selling scandal back in the 2010s. It is also when the general population started to pay attention to personal data protection. The aforementioned mandatory website cookies/data collection consent/opt-out is just a step-up.
That's a great question, man. You know, consumer pressure is a massive force. When you think about the Facebook data scandal, it really opened up people's eyes to how much these companies are collecting and what they're doing with that data. Suddenly, people were like, "Whoa, wait a minute—my personal info is out there and companies are making bank off it?"
So, what happens is you create this market demand for better privacy practices. Consumers start to care more about their data and privacy rights, which puts pressure on companies to step up or risk losing customers. It should be a wake-up call for these tech giants. It's like, if they don’t adapt, they’ll be out of the game.
Governments might try to intervene with regulations, but I think the real change comes from consumer behavior. If we all refuse to use platforms that don't protect our data, those companies will have to change. We’ve got to remember that our choices as consumers can really drive that change. It's like the idea of voting with your wallet, you know?
And honestly, we're already starting to see some companies reacting to that pressure. They might not be as perfect as we’d hope, but you can’t ignore the fact that the whole landscape is shifting because people are paying attention now. That's powerful.
Ha, yeah, I like your metaphor of "voting with your wallet" lol~ The current data protection mechanism is far from perfect but we do see companies react to consumer awareness more. That's at least an improvement. The ultimate goal is that every website has cookies/data collection consent/opt-out and there is still a long way to get there.
You know, man, it really boils down to transparency and user empowerment. First off, we need laws that make it mandatory for websites to clearly display what kind of data they're collecting and for what purpose. It can't be hidden in some 50-page terms and conditions that nobody reads, right? That's just insane.
Next, it should be opt-out by default. I mean, if someone doesn't want their data sold or tracked, they shouldn't have to dig deep to find how to do that. It needs to be front and center. Maybe even an easy toggle switch, like, “Hey, do you want to opt-out of tracking? Yes or no?” Simple.
We also need to educate people about what cookies and data collection actually mean. A lot of folks don't even realize what they're agreeing to when they click that "I accept" button. If they understood the implications, they might think twice.
And lastly, we should have frameworks that let people access, delete, or even sell their own data if they want. It's their data after all! This whole situation has become super shady, and it’s time to restore some trust and control back to the users. It’s scary how much power these companies hold over our lives, and we need to put a stop to it.
Indeed! That is exactly the mandatory website cookies/data collection consent/opt-out I was repeatedly talking about earlier. I like your "easy simple toggle switch Yes or No" because, well, as you mentioned, some people just don't read terms and conditions lol~ I believe the framework to let people access, delete, or even sell their own data if they want has been there but very few users would actually use the framework to request their data. So yeah, a simple easy front and center choice is better.
Man, that’s a great question! You know, the whole cookie consent thing is just nuts right now. People are inundated with these pop-ups, and honestly, most folks just click “agree” without even reading it. That’s where the problem lies.
Here’s what I think could help:
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Opt-Out Should Be the Default: Let’s flip the script. Instead of making everything opt-in, users should have to actively opt out if they don’t want their data collected. It puts the power back in their hands.
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Clear and Simple Language: When you’re explaining what data is being collected, it shouldn’t read like a legal document. Use straightforward language so everyone knows exactly what they're signing up for.
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Visual Indicators: Imagine if your phone or browser had a little dashboard. You could see in real-time what data is being shared and with whom. It would make everything a lot more transparent.
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Easy Access to Settings: If users can easily access their privacy settings and control what they’re sharing, you’d see a lot more engagement. Right now, it’s like a treasure hunt just to find those options.
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Rights to Delete: Give users the clear right to delete their data anytime they want. That’s just basic respect for your audience.
Wrap It Up:
We really need a system that isn’t just built to exploit and surveil people. If we can make data collection consent more user-friendly, we could restore some trust in those platforms. It’s time to put control back where it belongs—right in the hands of the users! What do you think about that?
"Default opt-out", "clear simple language" and "easy access to settings" are self-evident. The right to delete, along with to access or correct, should be there though the frequency of users actually exercising it is a question. Visual Indicators that show real-time data shared/collected are where I started this convo: just simply look into your browser and if/when it is set to block ads/tracking, you would see not only big techs FB/MSFT/Google but also media "effectiveness" companies like Teads/Unity/OpenX
Dude, it’s huge! Real-time visual indicators would totally transform how people perceive data collection. Right now, most people are in the dark about what their devices are doing. Imagine you could see all these little connections—like spokes coming out from a central point representing your phone or computer—which show what apps are accessing your data. It would be mind-blowing!
This transparency would empower people. You wouldn't just be a passive user; you'd be able to actually control who’s talking to your device and what information you're sharing. It's about giving the user the tools to understand their own tech, man. And that visibility could help break down those giant data silos that are built on keeping us oblivious.
When you're aware of how your data's being used, you can make informed decisions. It’s like having a personal health tracker but for your privacy! We’ve let these huge companies operate in the shadows for too long, and it’s time for a change. Let’s bring that data collection out into the light so people can take charge of their own information. That’s the future we need, man!
Yep. Browsers are just a tip of the iceberg. Apps are the actual data mines. Take, ironically, anti-virus programs for example. When/if you download a free version anti-virus program, it most likely collaborates with those media "effectiveness" companies like Teads/Unity/OpenX, etc and most certainly with app stores like Google, Apple, MS Windows. The cross-data sharing without, to quote your proposal, "visual Indicator dashboard", is putting most people in the dark. We do need to bring that out to light!!
Man, it’s wild how free antivirus programs and apps operate, right? You think you’re getting this great service for nothing, but what’s really happening is they’re often trading access to your data. It's like this unspoken deal—“Hey, we’ll protect you from viruses, but in return, we’re going to collect your data and sell it to companies like Teads, Unity, and the big app stores.”
These free programs can package up your browsing habits, keystroke patterns, and even location data, and they share that with these third-party companies. It’s like they’re saying, “We’ll keep you safe, but we’re also going to monetize all your activity.”
And a lot of people don’t realize this until it’s way too late. It’s that classic issue of not seeing the invisible strings attached to something that seems free. We’ve traded privacy for convenience without really understanding the costs involved. It’s pretty sketchy, and it raises all sorts of questions about what we’re willing to give up for something that seems handy.
So, the bottom line? If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product. Always keep that in mind, man!
Indeed, to conclude this conversation: the unspoken deal is "trading access to your data" and if you are not paying for the product, you are the commodity.
When we say, "if you're not paying for the product, you are the commodity," it means that in many cases, you're not the customer; you're the product that companies are selling. Think about social media—those platforms are "free" to use, but they're making billions by selling your attention and data to advertisers. You're the commodity because your engagement, your likes, your shares—they're all transformed into profit for these companies.
It's wild, right? We give up so much personal information without even realizing it, and then we get bombarded with targeted ads based on our behavior. It’s like a weird new form of capitalism where instead of paying with cash, you're paying with your data and attention. The real value is in how many eyeballs they can get on their ads, not in the service they provide. It’s a crazy trade-off!
So, the next time you're scrolling through your feed, just remember: if it’s free, you might want to check what you're really giving up in exchange. It's a fascinating concept that shows how deeply intertwined our personal lives have become with these massive tech companies.