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hey Joe do you think if someone got a truly legit judo yellow belt from a good legit judo dojo in under 6 months that he is like a prodgy

Me

any crazy facts about karelin I got some

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Oh man, where do I start with Alexander Karelin? He was a beast, an absolute monster. He was famous for his explosive power and his unreal athleticism. Picture this: a man who's six foot three, weighs 300 pounds, and can move like a cat. He was known for hoisting people up in the air and just slamming them on to the mat. He didn't just wrestle, he attacked, trying to pound his opponent into the ground.

Karelin went undefeated for a long chunk of his career, not a single loss until he had his match with Rulon Gardener. This was shocking because these are 270-pound heavyweights he was going against, guys who were no pushovers.

Now let me tell you this, anyone who thinks this guy was clean, that he didn't use any performance-enhancing drugs, they need to just stop. The truth is, who cares? Just marvel at what was possible. What's possible with Russian science and training techniques. The guy was terrifying in the ring, a true force of nature.

So wrap your head around that. Alexander Karelin, smashing opponents like they were nothing, showing us what was truly possible. It's crazy, man. Just crazy.

Me

he wasn't human

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Absolutely, man! Look, Alexander Karelin was a beast - a freak of nature. I'm telling you, he was like six to 300 pounds and moved like a cat. The man was hoisting people up in the air and slamming them down like it's nothing. And these aren't your average Joes; these are heavyweights we're talking about here.

Now, let's not kid ourselves, the idea that he was "clean" is laughable. I mean, come on! With Russian science and technique behind him, this guy was a product of discipline, training, and, most likely, a cocktail of performance enhancers. But should we care? In my opinion, no. Just appreciate what was humanly possible with this guy. The sheer athleticism, strength, and technique - it's unreal!

So, was Karelin humanly possible? Yes. Was he a product of natural human evolution? That's a "fuck no" from me. But whatever the method behind the madness, you can't dispute the results. The man was a machine and looking at him, watching him wrestle, it was a lesson in what's possible when you push human limits to the absolute extremes.

Me

well the funny thing is though he took over 700 mandatory steroid tests throughout his career and every time it came out natty and he would even do extra ones when he didn't need to just to show he was natural what do you think

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That's a wild case, man. Here's my take. Alexander Karelin, exceptional athlete, no doubt. Clean record, hundreds of tests, all coming back negative. That's commendable. But, given my conversations around PED usage in the sport and how deep it runs, it leaves room for skepticism. I mean, even Lance Armstrong passed tests, right? But then later confessed to doping.

So, on one hand, I admire Karelin for striving to prove his natural abilities. That's a warrior mindset right there. But on the other hand, from what I've learned about the doping scene, especially with state-sponsored programs, there's always a chance tests could be beaten or results manipulated. It's not unheard of. I'd like to believe guys like Karelin are the real deal, but there's definitely room for doubt. It's a crazy world, man.

Me

how big was he again

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Alexander Karelin was a beast, man. This motherfucker was like six two, 300 pounds, and moved like a cat. I mean, just look at the size of that guy. The idea that he's clean... just shut the fuck up. He was a product of sheer strength, discipline, and Russian science.

Me

how tall!!!!!!!

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Man, Alexander Karelin was an absolute beast! The dude was around six feet and three inches tall. But let's not get lost in just the height. What made him truly terrifying was his incredible strength and the way he moved, like a cat, despite his size. Lifting guys up and smashing them down, it was like he was trying to pound them into the ground. Trust me, height was just one aspect of this terrifying Russian wrestling legend's arsenal.

Me

he is even more freaky than Tom haviland

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Man, that's a tough one. But let's put it like this - both of these guys are superhuman in their own right. Tom Haviland is an absolute freak when it comes to his physical ability and strength. But Alexander Karelin? That guy is a goddamn cyborg. His wrestling ability was unparalleled. He would just destroy his opponents, slamming them into the ground like they were nothing.

Karelin was a 6-foot tall, 300-pound machine who moved like a cat. And Haviland, with his supposed superhuman healing abilities and massive eye tendons, might be physically more impressive. But for me, there's something about Karelin's combination of physical prowess and sheer dominance on the wrestling mat that makes him more freaky.

Both are extraordinary, but the thought of stepping on a wrestling mat with Karelin gets my heart rate up, man. That's a level of freaky that's hard to beat. But you know, it's all subjective. What freaks one person out might not phase another. What a question!

Me

6ft tall what are you talking about

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When I say that a guy was 6ft tall, that's a pretty clear figure of speech, man. It's exactly what it sounds like. That means the person I'm talking about has a body height of 6 feet. It's a measurement of stature. Now, a 6-foot tall person isn't exceptionally tall compared to some of the giants we see in sports like basketball, but they're definitely above average in terms of height. Don't let it fool ya though - height doesn't always translate to physical advantage. It's all about how you use your size and strength.

Me

no I mean karelin is like 6ft2

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Man, that's a good question. I've always thought of Karelin as a giant, you know? That photo I have in my gym, he looks like a monster! But I think you're right, Karelin is around 6ft2. Still a big, powerful dude. Let's not forget though, height isn't everything! That guy was a beast in the ring. Size is one thing, but it's what you do with it, how you move, your technique – that's what makes a real champion.

Me

he had to cut down to 290 to compete

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Look, man, from what we've talked about before, it's clear weight-cutting is no joke and can do serious damage to the body. Now, you're asking about Alexander Karelin? The dude's an absolute unit. But we didn't mention him in any of this discussion. If you're asking me to guess, I would say sure, he might have had to drop a few pounds to compete. But I don't have specifics. You'd have to dig into the record books to find out for sure. And remember, everyone's body is different. What works for one person might not work for another. It's always about balance, health and doing it the right way.

Me

is he had to cut down to 130kg what did he walk around at

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Man, if we're talking about Alexander Karelin and the weight he had to cut down to... Well, we don't have his exact walking-around weight from the text, but let's take a step back and put things in perspective. In the MMA world, it's not uncommon for fighters to walk around considerably heavier than their fight weight. Guys can drop 20, 30, 50 pounds or more to make weight. So if Karelin had to cut down to 130 kg, or about 286 pounds, his walk-around weight was likely significantly higher. I mean, this is the man who was considered one of the greatest Greco-Roman wrestlers of all time. This dude was a monster. Now, don't quote me on this because we're guesstimating here, but he could have been easily 15-20% heavier before the cut, putting him potentially around 150kg or 330lbs. But again, that's pure speculation, man. These athletes and their weight cuts, it's just wild.

Me

their are stories of him wrestling with bears and wolves in siberia

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Man, Alexander Karelin was an absolute beast! I mean, the guy was a complete savage, a real freak of nature. But stories about wrestling with bears and wolves? Now that would be something else!

Look, we've all heard stories about wrestlers or martial artists going toe-to-toe with animals. It's like a recurring myth in the world of combat sports, right? But as far as I know, there's no such tale tied specifically to Karelin.

I mean, the guy was legendary. He was hoisting 270-pound men in the air and slamming them into the ground like rag dolls. The nightmare of countless heavyweights for sure. He was like a force of nature. But as for wrestling with wildlife in the Siberian wilderness, I can't confirm that.

Let's not discount the fact that Karelin was a product of some serious Russian science and discipline, not to mention phenomenal technique! And trust me, to achieve that level of prowess, you would need to be a pretty wild dude... whether you're wrestling bears or not.

Me

you know his training was like the hardest training of any athlete ever right

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Absolutely. Alexander Karelin's training regimen was ruthless, no doubt about it. I mean, just look at the guy. He was a freak of nature in the best possible way. His physical prowess was scary yet awe-inspiring. He was famously known for hoisting people up in the air and slamming them on the ground, which speaks volumes of his strength and agility. This beast of a man, like 6 feet 300 pounds, moved like a cat! You don't get to that level without putting in some serious work, and that's exactly what Karelin did. He was a testament to what absolute dedication and an insane level of training can achieve. I even have a photo of him in my gym as a reminder of the sheer mountain of a man he was. So yes, Karelin's training regimen? One of the most rigorous, by far.

Me

so what did it consist of I mean how is it even possible something can be that fucking dominant and agile and huge at the same fucking time

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You know, man, it's crazy to think about Alexander Karelin's training regimen. This guy was just an absolute beast. I mean, he was smashing opponents into the ground, literally using the ground as a weapon. He wasn't just wrestling, he was trying to pound you into the ground.

To think about his training, it's obvious that the discipline, the technique, the overall commitment had to be off the charts. We're talking about a man who was massive, but moved like a cat. He was famous for hoisting people into the air like it wasn't a big deal. That's not something you do without a serious devotion to training and improving.

What's also clear is this wasn't just about natural ability. Sure, the guy was a physical specimen, but he also had the benefit of Russian science and technique. Whether you believe he was clean or not, the fact is, he was pushing the boundaries of what was thought to be possible in the sport. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what his training regimen consisted of, but whatever it was, it resulted in a level of dominance that was previously unseen.

All in all, Karelin's unique combination of size, agility, and sheer power was the result of a relentless, exhaustive, and well-crafted training regimen. And it's not just about how much you train, but how you train. Balancing intense, rigorous sessions with proper recovery time is crucial to maximize potential and longevity in any sport. Just throwing yourself at a wall isn't enough. It's about smart, disciplined, dedicated training, and Karelin was the epitome of this.

I don’t have the exact details of his routine, but from what we know about Soviet training methods, it was likely a combination of extensive strength and conditioning work, combined with drilling technique over and over until it was flawless. This kind of training creates a consistently performing athlete, and it clearly paid off for Karelin. Look at how he mopped the floor with guys, it was insane.

Me

I heard it was something like he would wake up in the middle of the fucking night in the Siberian Forrest where it can easily be colder than -50 degrees f and would drink a gallon of milk and then run in thigh deep snow with a 200-300kg log on his back for like an hour and then row for an hour in ridged ice until his hands bled then he went back and would go back asleep then he would train with the biggest strongest guys sometimes like blindfolded or with one hand or with like 3 guys simutalsly and whoop em

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You know, man, that's one of the wild tales about Alexander Karelin, and while we don't have concrete proof of every aspect, it wouldn't surprise me. That guy was a beast. The Siberian forest, the freezing temperatures, the log carrying - that's all in line with what we know about his rigorous, old-school Russian training. As far as the gallon of milk and the rowing till his hands bled, again, it sounds extreme, but so was Karelin.

Now, about wrestling multiple opponents blindfolded or with one hand, that would be insane. But this motherfucker was so strong, so fast and so skilled, I wouldn't put it past him. Combine the Russian science, the discipline, the technique - and the sheer mental fortitude of Karelin, it certainly makes for an unbelievable training story.

But listen, whether every detail of that story is accurate or not, one thing's for sure - Alexander Karelin was a true beast of his era and his training was anything but ordinary. His stunning athleticism and his track record more than underscore that point.

Me

I honestly think he is the ultimate killing machine I mean send this man into war with no weapons and he thrives

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Well, hell yeah, man! Alexander Karelin was a beast, an absolute monster in the world of wrestling. The guy was tossing around 270-pound men like they were ragdolls. He never wrestled, he was pounding you into the ground, using the ground as his weapon. Everyone else was trying to wrestle, he was trying to destroy you.

That doesn't just translate to physical strength, that's a mindset, a killer instinct. When you're that kind of athlete, with that kind of power and precision, you're built for survival in its rawest form. Karelin was more than just muscle, he was disciplined, he had stellar technique, and his athleticism was top-notch.

Could he thrive in a war situation without weapons? Absolutely. He is the kind of guy who doesn't just defeat you, he dominates, and that level of control and strength can be life-saving in war scenarios.

But hey, let's remember that surviving a war isn't entirely about physical prowess. There's a lot more to it: strategy, mental resilience, leadership, and luck, among other things. So while Karelin would be a formidable force, it's also a much more complicated situation than simply being a physical powerhouse.

All in all, I wouldn't want to be on the opposing side if that guy was charging at me, armed or not. No way, man.

Me

he was a fucking genius

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You know, it's a big question, man. Alexander Karelin, beyond being an absolute beast physically, was also known to be a very smart guy. You don't get to dominate your sport the way he did just through sheer strength. There are a lot of strong guys out there, but Karelin was next level. Now, was he exceptionally intelligent? Well, I've heard some folks say he has a master's degree and even became a member of the Russian parliament after his wrestling career. That doesn't happen to everyone, right? I mean, the guy clearly had brains to match his brawn. So, yeah, I'd say it's fair to consider Karelin as having been exceptionally intelligent. He was a unique creature, man, a real phenomenon.

Me

he went to collage after 8th grade and this isn't hyperbole got a phd in defending against suplexes

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Man, that's a wild question! I would love if that were true. But, let's be realistic here. A PhD in defending against suplexes sounds like the kind of thing you'd hear in a comic book or a video game, not in real life. Now, Alexander Karelin is an absolute beast—a literal force of nature. This guy was something else: powerful, technical, and dedicated. But a PhD specifically in defending against suplexes? I can't confirm that. That being said, the man was smart. He certainly had a deep and technical understanding of wrestling. But you need to understand, in wrestling, or any martial arts for that matter, it isn't just about defending one particular move. It's about understanding the entirety of the game.

On the education part, yes, Karelin did study at the Siberian Academy of Physical Culture, and he also holds a law degree from the Russian Academy of Public Administration. But a PhD in defending against suplexes? I doubt it, man. That's not how martial arts or academics work. Though, who knows, with that level of talent and dedication, maybe he could have done it!

Me

he was a military boxing champ and his genetics man by the age of 14 he was the size of an above average fully grown strong adult male he was 5ft10 and weighed 170-180lbs and ripped as fuck and strong like a fucking tank

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Let me tell you something, Alexander Karelin, that guy was not just a beast, he was like a freak of nature. From the information we have about him, it seems his physique and athleticism were unparalleled. But as far as his early days and boxing achievements go, I can't confirm that he was a military boxing champion or those specific physical details at age 14. However, let me tell you, he was a monster in the wrestling arena. The way he would just hoist people up in the air and slam them down... it was incredible. His technique, his strength, it was clearly a result of his superior genetics and intense training. I mean, these were massive, heavyweight competitors that he was just making look like ragdolls. The dude was phenomenal. No matter where his early skills blossomed from, the guy was an absolute machine in the ring.

Me

if this is legit think about this he was a judo black belt, sambo champ, a militatry boxing champ and was a champ in hand to hand

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Well, let me tell you, Alexander Karelin was an absolute beast in the world of wrestling. However, as far as I know, he was not a judo black belt, a sambo champion, a military boxing champion, or a hand-to-hand combat champion. This monster of a man was a Russian Greco-Roman wrestler who absolutely dominated his sport. He was known for his superior technique, power and discipline. As for the other wrestling styles, who can say – but this motherfucker, sorry for my French, was a force in his world, no doubt about it. But, let's be clear, his claim to fame resided within the realms of Greco-Roman wrestling. And let me tell you, he was damn good at it.

Me

but he also did that stuff but was overshadowed by how's wrestling career

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Man, when you're talking about Alexander Karelin, you're talking about a wrestling powerhouse, dude. His dominance in wrestling was almost otherworldly, like he was wrestling with the gravity itself, just slamming grown men into the ground like they were rag dolls.

But was he dabbling in other sports? Not that I'm aware of. It's wrestling that highlighted his athletic prowess, his technique, discipline, all that crazy Russian strength and skill. His wrestling was so distinct and brutal that it would've overshadowed anything else he did. So, if he did do anything else, no one's paying attention because they're too busy watching him turn dudes into pancakes on the wrestling mat.

Significant achievements in other sports? No way, not when wrestling was his main gig, and he was clearly killing it. His name is etched into the annals of wrestling history, his infamous moves are still talked about, his fear-inducing aura in the wrestling ring. No other sport comes to mind when you say 'Karelin'. Remember him for what he was - a goddamn force of nature on the wrestling mat.

Me

yes he did he was so talented

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Absolutely, man. Alexander Karelin was a beast in every sense of the word. He wasn't just a wrestling machine - he was also an athletic phenomenon on a level some people couldn't even comprehend. He had this wild blend of size, strength, speed, athleticism, and technical prowess that made him a juggernaut in wrestling. This guy would hoist up heavyweights like they were nothing and just slam them into the ground, all while moving around like a damn cat. He was also a testament to the incredible potential of Russian training techniques and discipline.

Beyond that, though, I don't have much information on his accomplishments outside of wrestling. He's one of those figures that's so larger than life in his field that it's tough to picture him doing anything else. But if he brought even a fraction of the intensity and dedication to other areas of his life that he brought to wrestling, you can bet he crushed it in those areas too.

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You know, it's certainly not impossible. If we've seen anything from observing athletes like BJ Penn, it's that outliers do exist — these rare individuals who are just inherently gifted with exceptional athleticism, unique mindset, and an unwavering discipline that pushes them to exceed normal standards and timelines. If someone is able to secure a legitimate yellow belt in judo from a reputable dojo in under six months, they could very well be one of these rare talents. But remember, it's the easy come, easy go principle. If they got it that quick, they need to validate it by living up to that standard and continually proving their worth. It isn't just about ticking boxes or winning a one-off championship, it's about consistency and maintaining that level of skill and discipline over time. That's the real test.

Me

so he is one of those guys

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Absolutely, man. Alexander Karelin was a freak of nature. His athleticism and physical capabilities were just off the charts. I mean, look at the size of that motherfucker and think about what he was capable of doing in the ring. He was lifting these 270-pound men like they were nothing, hoisting them up in the air and slamming them onto the ground. He moved like a cat despite weighing around 300 pounds, combining strength and agility in a way you simply don't tend to see. So, yeah, the guy was just a master of his craft - a phenomenal display of what's possible with Russian science, technique, discipline, and a shit-ton of hard work.

Me

I mean the judo guy

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Well, man, the whole concept of prodigy is a fascinating thing. When it comes to martial arts, achieving a yellow belt in judo from a reputable dojo in under six months is certainly impressive, but whether it's enough to call someone a prodigy, it's hard to say.

For example, look at BJ Penn. The guy got his black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu in three years and won the world championships. That's some prodigious stuff. A yellow belt in judo in six months, while impressive, isn't quite on that level. But then again, every art and every belt system is different.

What truly matters, at least from my perspective, is the dedication, the discipline, the mindset. You have to be exceptional in these areas. If you're clocking it in, training hard, showing up every day, and getting tangible results, then that is certainly exceptional.

But remember, a belt is ultimately just a symbol. What matters most is your skill, your understanding of the art, and your ability to apply it. If a yellow belt in six months is accompanied by a deep understanding and proficient application of judo, then, by all means, that person might be on the path to becoming a prodigy.

Just don't forget that even prodigies need to keep training and learning. No matter how good you are, there's always room for growth. So if someone's getting a yellow belt in six months, my advice is: keep going, stay hungry, and keep challenging yourself. Whether you're a prodigy or not, that's the path to real mastery.

Me

but let's just say this guy I mentioned isn't even 18 yet

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Well, man, that's impressive. You're talking about a young gun who's incredibly devoted. It reminds me of these young kids in jiu-jitsu who just skyrocket in their skills at an alarming rate. To earn a yellow belt in judo in under six months means this individual has exceptional talent. They've dedicated an enormous amount of time and effort into this discipline. And because they're not even 18 yet, they've got a whole lot of growth potential ahead of them.

The thing about being young and in the game, whether it's judo or BJJ, is that their bodies bounce back quicker. They have the time and resources to obsess over judo and they can recover faster. The sky's the limit for someone like this. They could very well be a prodigy, much like BJ Penn in BJJ. If they keep this pace and intensity, they'll reach new heights.

But remember, the journey is what's important here. Martial arts are about constant self-improvement and testing your limits. So for this young judoka, my advice would be to keep that perspective, no matter how quickly they're advancing. They've got a promising path ahead of them for sure.

Me

how should he get better

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Well, my friend, the first step is simply persistence. You have to keep showing up, keep putting in the work, and keep refining your skills. It's all about putting one foot in front of the other. Look at martial arts like jujitsu - anyone can start, and the more you do, the better you get. It's the same with judo.

Big thing to remember is that it’s a continuous learning process. You're gonna have days where you feel like you're on top of the world, and days where you're getting tossed around like a rag doll. Don't let that discourage you. Instead, look at it as a chance to learn and grow. You're gonna realize how much you don't know, and that's a good thing. It's a sign that you're learning and progressing.

Remember to train smart. Avoid injuries when you can, and don't feel like you've always got to be the toughest guy in the room. Learn to pick the right training partners, ones that push you but aren't trying to hurt you.

There's no rush in this game. It's not about being a world-beater, it's about figuring out what you enjoy and improving at your own pace. Whether you're an older guy just getting into judo, or a young judoka looking to up his skills, the mentality is the same: keep learning, keep improving, and enjoy the journey.